Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

Hugobear Nobody said 70 million Turks are coming to Britain. They did say they were eligible to come when they join the E.U, and that is a fact, they will be able to come here. There is no need for a fear campaign with regards to immigration. People can see in there own everyday lives what it has done, and with 3 million plus coming within the decade it can only get worse.

Mumsnetters must not be cowards. It must not be about me me me..... It must be about our countries future. The remainers are on the back foot now, they are going to lose, and you can help put the nail in the coffin!

i agree Leave, pull back the curtain and people like Farage speak out - and its wonderful to boot him swiftly into the racist biggot bin.
But harder when people like Frank Fields speaks out, begging us to vote for the poor, and he is MP to one of the poorest areas of the UK, Birkenhead. He is a warm and human person and...swiftly glossed over when his name and blogs are mentioned.

bridgetoc - the leave campaign definitely insinuated that Turkey would be joining around the corner. Penny Mordaunt argued the UK cannot veto Turkey EU accession as it has already been making preparations for it to join. -> Lie
Leave also lied about the veto on the EU Army

The 70 million Turks have been a pretty regular theme for the astroturfers here on Mumsnet and indeed on pretty much all on-line media. I was surprised to hear a government minister making such easily falsifiable claims though.

bridgetoc

Nobody said 70m Turks are coming to Britain

Vote Leave did - right here:

www.google.co.uk/search?q=vote+leave+70m+poster&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#imgrc=bHbjczRjNROPdM%3A

Not only are they liars, but you've just outed yourself as a liar too.

I'm not voting Remain for me, particularly.

I'm voting Remain for my kids.

All the Leave campaign have to offer them is a future in low-regulation sweatshops or paying an arm and a leg for a university education.

Whereas staying in the EU gives them an entire continent to work in - and should they choose to go to university, they can pay a fraction of the U.K. amount in Holland or zero in Germany.

Hugo - I think you need to get some facts correct.

Sweatshops etc working rights etc are covered by the work health and safety act which is law. U.K. Law not Eu law.

University charges can go up and down regardless of EU

And turkey immigration is not 70milliin

The worrying thing is - there is much focus from remain on this issue and yet the EU has morphed into a totally different beast since we joined up, its morphing, growing all the time = can you tell me what the EU looks like in 20 years time?

This is a silly and boring one, because of course no one can, and neither can anyone say what UK outside the EU will look like in 20 years' time. But what we do know is that if there is any further transfer of sovereignty to the EU, there would have to be a referendum in the UK under our current legislation.

Can you tell me what it will look like in two years time?

Well no, given that we don't know what will happen on June 23.

A whole continent to work in - maybe that one called Utopia? There is no work for the young in EU zone - massive unemployment now for a number of years - lost generation that can't get this time back again.

There is masses of bad news on hold until July about financial crisis in EU countries

The economies are fooked - which is why the Five Presidents Report and ever closer union is full pelt ahead to try to get a grip on the wayward economies that can't cope with being in monetary union with Germany basically.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36090188
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/05/11/italy-must-chose-between-the-euro-and-its-own-economic-survival/

Wizard of Oz time I think, pull back the curtain and see the vested interests behind that curtain - or leave curtain alone and admire your "intelligence".

It hasn't really been long enough since Amber Rudd used this line last night about the Leave campaign for it to sound original.

only caught btd of it last night, had on plus ITV 1 thing and handy way to fast forward objectionable bits .... Ie Amber Rudd speaking. Guess wiz of oz out of copyright now - such a good film- .

Wonder what young kids' version of that metaphor is?

Sweatshops etc working rights etc are covered by the work health and safety act which is law. U.K. Law not Eu law.

Well, no. There is a good whack of health and safety law that derives from EU directives transposed into domestic legislation.

I'd refer you to Priti Patel's words on how leaving would enable workers's rights to be unpicked to make businesses more money, or Chris Grayling on health and safety 'red tape'.

Michael Ford QC's legal opinion for the TUC on the areas of EU-derived employment law most vulnerable:

Collective consultation, including the right for workers’ representatives to be consulted if major changes are planned that will change people’s jobs or result in redundancies (as have been used in recent major announcements in the steel industry).
Working time rules, including limits on working hours and rules on the amount of holiday pay a workers is entitled to.
EU-derived health and safety regulations.
Transfer of Undertakings (TUPE), i.e. the EU-derived protections to the terms and conditions of workers at an organisation or service that is transferred or outsourced to a new employer.
Protections for agency workers and other ‘atypical’ workers, such as part-time workers.
Current levels of compensation for discrimination of all kinds, including equal pay awards and age discrimination.

only caught btd of it last night, had on plus ITV 1 thing and handy way to fast forward objectionable bits .... Ie Amber Rudd speaking. Guess wiz of oz out of copyright now - such a good film

Yes, heaven forbid that any of us should have to listen to an alternative opinion or argument. We might have to worry about being open minded or something.

Hugobear You are getting desperate, like the campaign that you are blindly, and selfishly following. I followed your link, (It's from The Guardian) and it does not suggest that 70 million turks are going to come here when they join the E.U, just that they, like others in the E.U, can if they want. This is 100% true!

Your children will not be able to go to uni on the continent? Poor them.....Selfish! They will not be able to work within The E.U... I've just been to Barcalona, I didn't see any English kids working over there, and yet here, every coffee shop is staffed by young Spanish kids who stand no chance of working in their own country. It's all one way, and I wish them Spanish kids luck, but the fact is that our key services cannot cope with an extra three million people in ten years!

Vote brexit!

Jassy The leave campaigns main focus was on trying to make personal attacks on Boris. It was done in such a clumsy manner that it backfired on them. A terrible performance by the remainers. Even a lefty, pro remain paper like The Guardian has admitted this.

Jassy The leave campaigns main focus was on trying to make personal attacks on Boris. It was done in such a clumsy manner that it backfired on them. A terrible performance by the remainers. Even a lefty, pro remain paper like The Guardian has admitted this.

And?

Don't worry I've heard plenty of Amber lately - she is being well utilised.

Andrew Marr has had her in twice and I really don't rate her at all - as a person or politician. Was interested to hear Sturgeon - no need to hear Rudd. I'm sure you don't listen to Farage do you? Can't say I do either.

Watched Hilary Benn on Andrew Neil Monday evening. Disappointing that he had nothing to say about poor in Britain and how to address their concerns.

However, I made my own mind up via own research - so don't need "advising" by a politician.

The likes of Rudd, who pretend this week that our floating currency going down is anything other than how markets work and hedging to buy back is either trying to scare the electorate - or not bright.

Eh, I just don't get why you'd bother with the debate at all if you're going to fast forward through anyone who disagrees with you. But you know, your time is your time, and maybe there wasn't any Property Brothers on ITV Hub you hadn't seen yet. (Much more interesting than out of context interventions by my money).

However, I made my own mind up via own research - so don't need "advising" by a politician.

Why is 'advising' in quote marks?

Honestly, I reckon everyone bothering to post on these threads made up their minds a while ago. I'm paying attention because I've found myself surprised by some arguments from the Brexit side that I hadn't considered, both online and from politicians, which made me think. They haven't swayed my view that Brexit would be fundamentally damaging for Britain and probably leave us worse off for generations with the poorest hit especially badly in the short and medium term. But they gave me renewed respect for the people who made them amongst what has been a pretty grim campaign.

And yes, I do listen to Farage. Why on earth not? I don't mind having my ideas challenged or listening to alternative opinions or ideas.

Good news is I hear talk of Labour politicians finding a conscious - must be difficult looking their own constituents, often in poor areas, in the eye and trying to tell them the EU is great for them.

On news just had a "man in pub" saying "if after we leave the government removed workers rights we'd vote them out". Think labour are haemorrhaging voters - not because they aren't getting remain message out- the opposite - they aren't listening to the low paid workers.

"if after we leave the government removed workers rights we'd vote them out"

Sadly, history does not suggest this is the case.

The Remain campaign is utter scaremongering. There will be uncertainty in the short term but huge long term benefits.

All the Leave voters that I know are highly educated and younger so bang goes the demographics quoted here. Many of us are widely travelled.

I think the original concept of the EU was good. A trading arrangement amongst similar countries.

It's just reached ridiculous proportions with the long term aim of a EU superstate. It's fucking expensive, even if you use the most cautious of numbers. Horribly bureacratic. And I'm bloody terrified at Turkey joining. And where are all the new people coming to the UK going to live? And be educated? And see a GP? Because these facilities are bust and the government can't receive any control whilst we are in the EU

My continental friends are seriously envious of our chance to escape. My only worry is that lose this chance.

There will be uncertainty in the short term but huge long term benefits.

How huge? When? How will they be realised? I've yet to see a straight answer on this question.

Well I don't listen to every politician that opens their mouth, because errr, the usual reason - life etc, .but if you are unable to filter who you listen to, then you may find it a little repetitive by now. I don't think they have got any surprises coming your way.

im very interested in how the media are presenting the referendum though, because I've been interested in how the EU works for years and have read lots on it. It is also interesting to see how people I know understand various concepts choose to present them to each audience.

Sorry don't find Farage and Izzard remotely challenging to listen to. So yes fast forwarded Question Time last night too.
Tony Blair- well TV gets turned over not fast forwarded.

Didn't realise it was so controversial to not listen to every politician, as if they know everything. We are the electorate and choose who we elect - I will choose who is worth my time too.

rooner you're terrified of Turkey joining and you think remain is the one scaremongering! Why are you terrified of Turkey joining? You think Greece and Cyprus are going to be like 'ok go on then'? Even if the UK decides not to use their veto. Is it because Leave has been scaremongering on this??

Didn't realise it was so controversial to not listen to every politician, as if they know everything. We are the electorate and choose who we elect - I will choose who is worth my time too.

Bit of misrepresentation there, don't you think? Difference between not listening to every single word uttered by every politician and actively filtering some out from a single programme one is watching...