Latest immigration stats released & they are gigantic again

[BritBrit]

The final immigration stats from the ONS before the EU referendum have been released with immigration for 2015 at 630,000.

-630,000 immigrants came to the UK
-Net immigration was 333,000 up 20,000
-EU immigration was 270,000
-Romanian & Bulgarian immigration tripled in 2015
-42% of EU immigrants did not have a job when coming to the UK
-EU immigrants took more new British jobs (224,000) than British workers (185,000)

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/may2016

44.5% of Luxembourg's population are foreign nationals, so immigration hasn't done them any economic harm.

So the Remainers would support unlimited immigration until the UK reached the magic 44.5% foreign nationals, then overnight we'd all be in clover?

It feels like we have achieved that already in the S E

I sometimes think I'm from another planet as I'm amazed at people thinking these numbers are ok.

Free Movement of People is marvellous when the countries involved have similar standards of living. Uncontrolled immigration is the result when they don't.

Actually, no one really knows the real numbers of people entering the UK. But the EU continues to expand and everyone wants to come here.

By leaving the EU, we can of course exert more control over the borders. You can come here, if you have a job, for example.

Every Big Issue seller is Eastern European where I live. Lovely people but what the fuck are they here for? There are beggars from Eastern Europe everywhere where I live.

Free healthcare and education! Bring your friends.

Yes, many immigrants bring lots of benefits to Britain and they are very welcome. But the EU has grown too big for uncontrolled immigration amongst member states to continue.

It is the inability of governments to control this problem that has led to the far right loons gathering power. That is only going to get worse.

Free movement of people if you have a job - now there is an EU concept that might actually work

No Limer, there would be no clover left. No clover, no ryegrass, no farm land. No land left to feed us. It would all be built on.

Here's an analogy for example a company employees 1000 people and then decides to employ a further 100.

You really can´t compare countries with companies, as it became obvious when the Troika came to Southern European countries and forced cuts as if they were companies and not countries. Not such great results.

No Limer, there would be no clover left. No clover, no ryegrass, no farm land. No land left to feed us. It would all be built on.

Very good point Florinda, and once that farmland is gone, it's gone. We'll be importing food at sky-high prices. Native habitats and species extinct. Britain's beautiful landscape lost forever under countless acres of endless development.

And we can be even more controlled if we cannot grow our own food ( I know we don't grow enough now)

But leaving will mean that immigration can be controlled

No. It does not mean that either.

I've asked many Remainers what their upper limit for immigration is, and none of them have ever answered. So I have to assume they have no upper limit.

The net numbers for 2015 were a third of a million moving here from the EU with no entry requirements, what if 2016 is half a million, 2017 one million, 2018 two million? These are the numbers moving here for more than a year, the ones coming for less than a year aren't even counted. Maybe the numbers will decrease - but with the Eurozone in a fatal tailspin, I doubt it. I'm sure there'll be some wonderful bright young multi-lingual graduates, but I'm also sure there'll be thousands more unskilled and uneducated, in poor health, with children, with elderly dependents, etc. Big Issue sellers and car washes on every corner, maybe?

How do we stand a chance of laying the foundations for a prosperous UK when we're hampered at every step with more and more demands on our already overstretched public services?

And we can be even more controlled if we cannot grow our own food ( I know we don't grow enough now)

Even before we joined the EEC/EU we only produced about 50% of our food. Being an EU member gives us access to a secure supply without the transport & environmental costs of shipping food from further afield.

Even before we joined the EEC/EU we only produced about 50% of our food.

And we're proposing unlimited population increases? When are the ration books being issued? I guess it's one way of dealing with the obesity crisis.

Importing food is nothing to be proud of.

Even before we joined the EEC/EU we only produced about 50% of our food

Importing food is nothing to be proud of.

Well if we didn't waste half the perfectly good food we buy, didn't have supermarkets telling food producers that their parsnips were not up to the standards customers expect (go google Hugh Furry-W and his food waste campaign and were happy to never eat bananas, chocolate, coffee, tea or only eat produce in season, then we might be able to reduce that a little...

Fuck all to do with the EU.

Everything to do with lifestyle choices, modern day shopping habits and business marketing. All UK ones.

Incidentally compare our food habits with some of our European cousins. Some are much more obsessed with local. Some are just more frugal and less exotic in their tastes.

Weirdly we are the ones with the biggest obesity issue going on.

So it's Dig For Victory all over again? I don't remember seeing that in the Remain literature.

Any Remainer care to suggest an upper limit on immigration levels?

The net numbers for 2015 were a third of a million moving here from the EU with no entry requirements, what if 2016 is half a million, 2017 one million, 2018 two million?

The number of immigrants flatlined in 2015 the figures could decrease following historic trends, particularly when measures such as migrants having to leave after 5 years if they earn less than £35k come into effect.

In order to make informed decisions voters need to know what Brexit immigration proposals are;

1. Would there be an immigration cap & if so what would it be?

2. Would any free movement be retained?

3. Would migration be increased from outside Europe?

4. Would immigrants require visas or work permits?

5. What would happen to British people living in EU countries?
   Can their rights to continue to live in that country, to work legally and to receive healthcare abroad be guaranteed?

6. What would happen to EU migrants already in Britain? Would they have to go home & reapply for a work permit? How would that work?

7. Can the Leave campaign guarantee that the UK Border Control in Calais won’t move back to the UK?

8. What would happen to the Common Travel Area?

There really is more to this debate than immigration.

Totally agree, and there are more threads dealing with the other issues.

If 630,000 came in, and 270,000 were from the EU, then more than half came from outside the EU.

Out of the EU immigrants, the vast majority were from the richer countries such as Germany, France etc. Only a small minority were from Romania, Bulgaria etc. (those seem to be the places people are most concerned about)

Can't the none EU migration be controlled as well. We only need skilled people. Surely we have some skilled people here from the UK.

Perhaps we should be berating our own education system/government for not producing a skilled workforce

I was reading something earlier about polish immigration being on the decline and actually we were getting a lot more migrants from France etc in industries you wouldn't expect.

I'll see if I can find the link. It surprised me and was very different from the headlines and the stereotyping there seems to be.

A lot of people send money out of the country and live here very cheaply.

This is absolutely true. All men from EE are here to earn money, and they live very cheaply in overcrowded rented houses. They keep a little back for themselves, and the remainder is sent home. Most work cash in hand, return home by coach to visit the family and come back. Some decide to make a go of it in the UK - find a girl, settle down, have children, get an NI nr and switch to a PAYE job because this will provide benefits in the future.

Those that sell the Big Issue tend not to be EE, but refugees from MENA - at least in the surrounding towns near me. I believe they take this type of work deliberately, HMRC allows refugees specifically to register as self-employed and not declare income. Just registering as a self-employed sole trader allows them to claim various benefits. Great loophole.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8527950/Romanian-families-use-Big-Issue-loophole.html

I live in an area with a lot of immigrants, they either are working very hard doing a job no one else wants to do and living very cheaply (maybe sending money home, or saving money to move back home, as you would) or professionals that have married and settled (small sample I know).
I wonder what the figures are on unskilled immigrants supporting the farming industry? From what I can see they're doing a stellar job.

The EU apparatchiks are trembling in their shoes about UK leaving. They need our contribution very much. Hasn't the EU promised £9 billion to Greece, and there's the shilly-shallying by Goldman Sachs in connection with Greece as well.

Germany's coffers are not in a healthy state but they keep the image going, because they have saddled themselves with so much longterm debt in providing for the million people allowed in. I suspect that Soros and IMF are secretly bailing out Germany.

The UK should unhitch its star from the EU wagon train because that wagon train has no way out and will perish.

I used to believe that it was an accident of birth as to where you were born and therefore in an ideal world there would be no borders and freedom of travel and fir many years believe that migration either way was not an issue. My views have changes and this due to the one fact that some groups of immigrants do not integrate and what's more once they are the country set about trying to change it to suit their views and impose there own stance locally and there culture which is at odds with the British culture. I would like us to be an open country but it is for the reason that I have changed my views