Latest immigration stats released & they are gigantic again

[BritBrit]

The final immigration stats from the ONS before the EU referendum have been released with immigration for 2015 at 630,000.

-630,000 immigrants came to the UK
-Net immigration was 333,000 up 20,000
-EU immigration was 270,000
-Romanian & Bulgarian immigration tripled in 2015
-42% of EU immigrants did not have a job when coming to the UK
-EU immigrants took more new British jobs (224,000) than British workers (185,000)

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/may2016

If they didn't get jobs, you'd moan they were taking British Benefits.

Schroedingers immigrants.

Immigration IS a problem. It's a logistics problem. Unknown amounts of EU citizens can choose to come to the UK. They need somewhere to live. Somewhere for there children to go to school. Hospitals. Doctors. We can't as a country budget for these extra people because we don't know in advance how many are going to choose to come.

Mother are you seriously saying that the mass movements that have been recorded don't affect us? schools, health, jobs of housing

So where do these people live, eat, get medical treatment

Murphys - aren't you an immigrant yourself? Why should those who came after you be less welcome than you are?

Motheroffoirdragons - immigration is far more important to me than whether Boris becomes PM for a couple of years!

Immigration is infinite; boris as PM is finite.

Widow - yes I am and I had to prove to get working visa I was able to work. I also had to have savings or access to money for housing.

If you have skills that can benefit a country then of course you should be here and contribute. But if you come here for what you can get out of the systems then no you should not be welcome

Boris as PM
If we brexit that's what'll happen. That was his play from the start, and the only reason he came out on the leave side.
It's a win win for him. Leave, here's perfectly placed take over when Cameron has to resign. Remain, he's a man who 'stood by his principles' and is still best places to take over before next GE

Murphys - EU immigrants don't get any support before having contributed for an amount of time either (same as UK citizens who return from living abroad after a certain amount of time), look up "habitual residence test" - it's an oft-debunked myth that they're all coming to scrounge. They couldn't even if they wanted to.

Disliking potential PMs isn't a reason to remain in the EU, which does after all have its share of unlikeable politicians.

If we remain in the EU, Boris, Osborne and others will still be there waiting for an opportunity to jump into the driving seat when, within the next few years, Cameron steps down.

Disliking potential PMs isn't a reason to remain in the EU

i'm not arguing it is, just underlining that Johnson is utterly without principle or conviction, and couldn't careless if the uk stays or goes, he only cares about boris and his career/quest to be PM.

There was an interesting programme last night called Boris v Dave: The Battle For Europe.

Having seen so many comments about Boris "just wanting to be PM", I was surprised that the documentary showed plenty of evidence and history, showing that Boris has actually always been Eurosceptic. This goes right back to his journalistic days in the late 1980s, where he worked as Brussels correspondent for the Telegraph.

Contrastingly, it showed Cameron presenting a Eurosceptic face to those Tories he thought wanted to hear it. It's not clear what his actual beliefs on the EU were. But if Boris wants to be PM, then obviously so did, and does, Cameron. And from the documentary, it appears that chameleon-like views on the EU may have been part of his strategy.

There are plenty of immigrants that are not currently working round my way, I'm not entirely sure how they get by. Some of the Romanian ladies sell the big issue as I do see them going off on the bus first thing in the morning. My next door neighbours are currently not working.

Many do contribute. My DH has worked here for 20 years now. He does however get angry being a migrant himself those who do come here and take the p* as it does not enhance the reputation of those like himself who do work hard and behave themselves.

How many is too many? I suppose in theory it's unilimited, in practice however there would come a tipping point where things would start to come undone and the things that the migrants themselves come for would cease to be available, not just to them but to the whole population. At that point I'm not sure what would happen, other places might be more attractive/have more opportunities - natural redistribution might happen.

Certainly with population growth it all has to be taken into account in planning what people will need and the direction that the country takes to achieve that.

Arrrrhhh the price of success.

What do you think happens when one country's economy starts to do better than its neighbours?

More jobs are made, so more people get jobs. People from elsewhere come to share in that.

Isn't it a shame that with all these immigrants taking all our British Jobs we have fewer British People in employment sharing in this new success.

What? That's not true? There are more British people in employment AS WELL?

Next you'll be telling me all these immigrants are helping generate these new jobs by being good at their jobs, and then in turn creating EVEN MORE new jobs. For Foreigners. Oh and a few Brits too if they are lucky.

Would you rather our economy was doing shit, jobs were being lost, migrant workers 'fucked off back to where they came from' AND all our British workers were stuck here unable to go look for work abroad because they were only allowed British Jobs there's no freedom of movement?

Arhhhh wait. I get it. Its not fair we have to share successes. We should keep it all to ourselves. Because its only Brits that are responsible for this success.

Housing shortages and over stretched services are the result of immigration and not piss poor planning decisions from people who can't even get it right in areas where the birth rate has increased but immigration has not. Maybe if they had been able to use the ONS website like the OP, only 5 years ago, we might be in a slightly different position.

Maybe if new building developments were subject to stricter planning on affordable homes and had covenants on who got first priority or were only able to people as main residences we'd be better off. Maybe if we hadn't been so obsessed with university educations being the be all and end all, and hadn't had such a snotty attitude to trades a decade or so again, there wouldn't have been a skills shortage in this area for immigrants to move into.

But yes, its the fault of immigrants. So we should ban them. That's another nice job for the British Bureaucrats who have done a good job of being shit at their jobs. I'm sure they'll manage that task better than all those other ones listed about that they've achieved so much success in.

But there are plenty of EU immigrants who aren't net contributors and who live in the UK. Sporting has just illustrated this by talking about the Romanian women who sell the big issue. How about the guys who work in the dozens of car washes that have popped up in my town? Do you think these people are net contributors to this country? Really?

I thought immigrants had to have a job lined up to immigrate to the UK

This is the sensible way to go about immigration.

I would never ever dream of moving anywhere then getting a job.

Job - security first, the rest follows.

Florinda

car washes are big EE business round our way too.

Its been mentioned some of the people working in them are trafficked people slaves, so always look out for any dubious signs when using them,

Big organised crime has come to the UK from the EU and people trafficking is one aspect.

Housing shortages and over stretched services are the result of immigration and not piss poor planning decisions from people who can't even get it right in areas where the birth rate has increased but immigration has not

There is truth in what you say there Red.

It was piss poor planning to estimate what was it, 14,000 people might come from Poland? Then hundreds of thousands started to arrive and the councils, had to play catch up. Years later we are still playing catch up, because, its not that easy to suddenly build enough hospitals and schools to accommodate a massive and sudden surge of people.

It was very poor planning on Tony Blair and his governments behalf, and I personally think he should be tried for incompetence and crimes against the country.

Todays headlines are the usual shocking immigration figures, but we have an idea know that we need to be building cities the size of Birmingham to make enough room for everyone, perhaps someone else can tell me, how many cities and how fast we need them.

Then we just keep on doing that, building cities the size of Birmingham and everything will be ok, because immigration to the UK will never end, and we will just keep on building

At that point I'm not sure what would happen, other places might be more attractive/have more opportunities - natural redistribution might happen

where too, where can we go? Places like Oz, Canada, America care very much about who they let in and whether a single citizen will loose out on a job or not. Its very strict, and if you go to other EU countries, you do not get the translator services we are offering new comers here.