To ask if you think we will stay or go?

[TheoriginalLEM]

sorry its the EU.

i don't know that much but my gut feeling is we should stay.

however i think we will leave because strength of feeling seems to lay with the leavers wheras i think stayers might beless likely to vote or be in the not that fussed camp.

it seems doubtful that Scotland could get in quickly,

A bit of a digression but that isn't necessarily true. If there was another Scottish independence referendum within a couple of years of the UK giving notice to leave the EU there is a legal argument under human rights legislation that Scotland need not go through the accession process as a new member state. Instead treaties could be amended. (Prof Douglas-Scott, European and Human Rights Law, Oxford University)

That's fair enough - I am pretty relaxed either way

Im hoping we will stay, but are worried that there are so many who are voting thinking they will get all these things like 'securing our borders' etc which are not even going to be on the table. Any deal with the EU has free movement - no discussion it is not on the table.

There will be mass 'we never voted for this, we were lied to' by which point will be too late, as UKIP, Tories and Nu-Labourites dismantle the NHS and tear up social and employment safeguards in the name of global competivity.

In the UK we have problems such as tax evasion and avoidance as well as rubbish employers which need new thinking. Employers could just train and employ british people and pay them a decent wage brexiting isn't needed.

If we remain in the EU I think there will be mass "we never voted for this, we were lied to".

I think that despite the Remain side's assurances, for example that we won't join the euro, or an EU army, and that the UK can have an influence in the EU, these principles will be steadily eroded until we are just a collection of regions in the United States of Europe.

I know there's a fear of the Tories/others dismantling workers rights and the NHS but I don't think there is any public mandate for this at all. Any attempt to disrupt those things would be met with anger and protests. Britain made good developments in the field of women's rights and employment rights before the EU and despite the EU. I certainly don't think the EU is likely to put Britain's NHS at the top of its agenda. Incidentally, the Brexit political broadcast focused very much on the NHS.

As for tax avoidance and bad employers, these occur in many countries, not just the UK. The EU certainly isn't immune from those. The EU is continually successfully lobbied by large corporations, to ensure the rules help them instead of their smaller, often more innovative, competitors.

BreakingDad as a leave, that worries me, and I don't understand why if we have trade deals with the EU people are saying that has to include free movement. The EU has to trade with the us, Asia etc and that doesn't include free movement so why can't Britain have that?

Bremain will win. They don't deserve to, and campaigns from both sides are shambolic- barely a dressing any issue besides defence, economics or immigration. But Bremain have it in the bag.

Bander I think you're right, I hope you're wrong, I think we'll live to regret it, I think the leave campaign is bloody awful, I think they're gifting it to remain.

There'll be an economic bounce (before a recession) and my solace is that Dh and I will capitalise on that for a year or two financially before it all goes tits up for everyone.

"I know there's a fear of the Tories/others dismantling workers rights and the NHS but I don't think there is any public mandate for this at all."

Workers' rights have already been more or less dismantled in this country. Look at how the right feel about the Working Time Directive. Unfortunately, the right controls most of the press in this country and can persuade people to vote against their own interest.
I think the NHS is safer, but obviously not completely safe as certain parts of it have already been privatised. I don't believe for the moment that the people behind the Brexit campaign are strong admirers of the NHS, it's just an easy thing to give as an example.

I want to leave but doubt we will. I think the young voters like being part of the EU.

I think the young voters like being part of the EU.

If they've been in the EU all their adult lives then they don't know what it's like to be outside it, so it seems "safe". I think that's a false sense of security though.