To ask if you think we will stay or go?

[TheoriginalLEM]

sorry its the EU.

i don't know that much but my gut feeling is we should stay.

however i think we will leave because strength of feeling seems to lay with the leavers wheras i think stayers might beless likely to vote or be in the not that fussed camp.

If she's no longer enforcing laws then yes CoteDAzur , it is still a democracy.

What isn't democratic is having elected MEPs overridden by the unelected EU's commissioners - who do in fact get a say in any law changes.

Um... the Queen does have a say re laws. She normally approves them but doesn't have to.

I also really don't understand the unknown argument. With how much the EU has changed since we joined, how can any of us claim it will continue to stay as it is?

Our royal family takes a very small role in governing the country, when was the last time she overrode an important decision by elected politicians?

There's really no important similarities to be noted between the EU and our monarchy

After Brexit, our country will be what we make it. I think there is enough hard work and vision in the UK to make this a very good thing.

I'm sure we can make something of the country after Brexit. However I am not sacrificing my daughter to it. Why should her generation be screwed over by the economy while we get ourselves back on an even keel.

lavenderdoilly - Our children's generation are supposedly the first to be poorer than their parents. Things aren't going well as it is.

I was a teenager in the 80s and watched many of my friends' choices and opportunities getting squashed by Thatcher ' s liberalisation of the economy. I am not so naive as to think that Remain is a perfect choice but it is better the Devil you know. And Project Boris is not for me.

I was a teenager in the 80s So was I - but both options are devils we don't know - and don't forget who's advocating staying - project Cameron and his chums are probably the most Thatcherite we've had since Thatcher - voting to remain only guarantees things will be at least as shite as they are now - not much of a recommendation is it?

Sorry, was. It's not for me. If we leave, Cameron will be replaced by Boris and we will still have to introduce a load of EU friendly rules to get the trade agreements we want. But we will have no say over them.

Then I think it's great you're acting on your views lavenderdoilly. I am absolutely voting leave but respect those that choose to vote remain. I'm prioritising my feelings on democracy and whilst I am slightly worried about the economy, I honestly don't trust it to be the complete doom and gloom Osborne and Cameron are insisting it will be. The fact is that none of us know what will happen either way. The EU is constantly changing and I fear it may get worse.

I also can't help but think if we did leave, other countries would choose to follow. If the EU only dealt with trade agreements, I would be voting to remain.

The only other countries that may follow us if we leave are those not in the Euro zone.

I will vote stay, I hope we will stay, I'm scared we won't

This.

If we leave, Cameron will be replaced by Boris
Cameron's going anyway - who knows who might replace him?

we will still have to introduce a load of EU friendly rules
Well that depends on your point of view and who you believe - doesn't it? That is actually something the remain camp represent as "fact" or "obvious" when it's just posturing and supposition - the fact is, we don't know - but given how much stuff EU countries sell to the UK they'd be cutting off their noses to spite their faces to really shaft us on trade - maybe they really are that stupid and vindictive, maybe not - sadly there's only one way to find out.

But we will have no say over them.
We have no say now - we are one country in 28. We have voted against laws in the EU parliament 72 times - and we lost 72 times. As long as what the rest wants fits us we're fine, anything that suits the rest but not us gets imposed on us anyway.

lavenderdoilly - I've read recently about French voters requesting an EU referendum

Was, we'll still need e.g. environmental protection laws and data protection laws if we leave the EU. They won't be an optional extra.

lavenderdoilly - Our children's generation are supposedly the first to be poorer than their parents. Things aren't going well as it is

Its worse than that though isnt it.

There is now an underclass of UK citizens, so many out of work in the EU.

Generations have already been written off.

Switzerland isn't in the EU.
Why?
Has it affected the Swiss?
How did they escape WW2 ?

Thatcher wrote off many of my generation - and their grandkids are paying for it now. Don't recall her being a europhile.

I also dont want my dd competing against millions of people from the EU for a job in the UK.

I would like her to have a chance and UK jobs for UK citizens.

I am afraid Blair has done the same, lavender but with a tool - the use of immigration against his own people that it wont be easy to correct within the EU.

I agree with you emerald lakes.

Holly, Switzerland escaped WW2 by being neutral. As did Sweden, Spain and the Republic of Ireland.

All the EU migrants I know personally are hard working tax payers. I feel sorry for the countries that have lost them to us.

I really don't get the Thatcher connection here?

Thatcher was beneath contempt in my opinion - but as with most of the revisionist history that is spouted about her, people have short memories.

Thatcher signed us up to the Single European Act in 1986 - one of the most federalist bits of EU law to date, and wrote in her 1993 book "Advantages will indeed flow from that achievement well into the future".

She also campaigned in favour of remaining in the EEC in the 1975 referendum. The fact is, she was always trying to do whatever she saw as the most politically expedient thing, just like Cameron and Boris (and most of the others) are now.

Any idea that Brexit is in some way akin to Thatherism of the 1980s is frankly, bonkers.