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To ask if you think we will stay or go?

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TheoriginalLEM · 17/05/2016 17:21

sorry its the EU.

i don't know that much but my gut feeling is we should stay.

however i think we will leave because strength of feeling seems to lay with the leavers wheras i think stayers might beless likely to vote or be in the not that fussed camp.

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rollonthesummer · 17/05/2016 18:50

I think we should leave and I'm increasingly thinking that's how the vote will go.

squoosh · 17/05/2016 18:55

I don't think it will be that close. I think Remain will win by a significant margin.

'in online polls, Leave is in the majority while in telephone polls, Remain has the lead. The theory was that people are more likely to be honest in an anonymous online poll.'

Generally speaking telephone polls tend to be more accurate.

Leviticus · 17/05/2016 18:55

I live and work in a big city and everyone I've spoken to bar one person - one - says they're voting leave.

I think there's something in the theory that people are afraid to say out loud they want to stay for fear of being shouted down.

scaryteacher · 17/05/2016 18:59

If nothing else the right to roam is a huge thing and something amazing for our children to have.

I wasn't aware that the right to roam would be withdrawn if we left the EU. I fully expect still to be able to access Dartmoor if we leave.

If you mean freedom of movement - they can still travel, work, and live in mainland Europe. Brits did so before the existence of the EU, and many people, who are not from EU member states, do so now. I live just outside Brussels, and my friends include Aussies, Canadians and Americans, none of whom are from EU member states, and they have been in Belgium for a decade, as have I.

ExtremelyConfidential · 17/05/2016 19:00

www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-brexit-watch/

Bloomberg Daily Brexit probability indicator. Since Sunday we're on 24%. Also incorporates market views on gbp, bonds etc as related to this. Methodology explained in the link.

TheFear · 17/05/2016 19:09

Formerbabe, I doubt your own governance would change any of the things that are your reasons to leave. You're being naive if you think so.

ExtremelyConfidential · 17/05/2016 19:09

The last figures I saw from open eu (bit biased, but still explain their methodology) was much lower still, less than 20% IIRC....because they claim that even if 50+%. voted to leave, there's less than 50% chance the referendum would trigger an actual departure. interesting stuff.

scaryteacher · 17/05/2016 19:17

TheFear, at least we can vote our politicians out. We can't get rid of the Eurocrats like Juncker, Tusk and Mogherini, or the commissioners like Timmermans.

TheoriginalLEM · 17/05/2016 19:19

i think we should stay. simply because inthink the evonomic ramifications are huge and negative if we leave. people don't like the unknown and people extrapolates to countries and i think we will struggle to secure investment in the world market.

if i had the choice to join or stay out id be voting out but i think we are stronger on the indide and can at least have some influence on things thqt will still affect us in europe if we stay.

i know nothing about economics thougj,is just me gut feeling.

my politics are left of centre if that matters.

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19lottie82 · 17/05/2016 19:21

Personally I think a large chunk of the LEAVE camp, only see "the foreigners coming over to steal our jobs and claim benefits!" And will be basing their vote on that alone, without understating the wider implications that leaving would have on the UK in regards to trade ect.

Tiggeryoubastard · 17/05/2016 19:24

Bingo!

BillSykesDog · 17/05/2016 19:28

I think the opposite of you. I think we should leave but I think in will win by a small majority.

This.

BornFreeButinEUchains · 17/05/2016 19:36

The EU is not a democracy.

If democracy matters to you, vote Leave.
If your happy with an EU empire, no democracy. Stay.

squoosh · 17/05/2016 19:39

I think most people have made up their minds at this stage.

Tiggeryoubastard · 17/05/2016 19:40

Of course it's not a democracy. Spot on, bornfree. Surely the response we got to Cameron's negotiations that were meant to entice us to stay show their utter contempt for us. If they're like that when its up for the vote, what will they be like if/when were locked in again.

Orda1 · 17/05/2016 19:41

I think we will stay, I don't really care either way.

TheoriginalLEM · 17/05/2016 19:41

19lottie i totally agree, i think immigration is a massive red herring in all of this. Yes it's a massive issue but it is only one of many and worryingly what many people will be basing their vote on.

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TheoriginalLEM · 17/05/2016 19:42

Orda i think you prove my point. that isn't a criticism

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Quietlifenotonyournelly · 17/05/2016 19:45

From what I've seen 19lottie82 I agree slightly with you. I hope we leave but not for those reasons.
We do need people to come over from all over the world to fill gaps where we lack the skills, not just the EU.

Orda1 · 17/05/2016 19:45

Not really, the neutrals are more likely to vote to stay. Frankly I consider us leaving very unlikely.

HumphreyCobblers · 17/05/2016 19:47

I want to leave and my opinion is not at all based on immigration.

I think we will probably stay though.

If people are being shy of saying they support Brexit, it is probably because a section of the left are claiming that all brexits are racist thickos (see above).

BillSykesDog · 17/05/2016 19:48

I'm concerned about democracy and also about EU expansionism which goes beyond merely being a bloc to build peace and I think is now starting to become an act, if not of aggression, of trying to promote it's own interests over those of other countries in a way those other countries can't just roll over and passively take.

I don't think immigration is that much of a red herring if you belong in the groups or areas which are most adversely affected by it either.

BornFreeButinEUchains · 17/05/2016 19:50

I don't care what red herrings there are if people vote OUT they will always be voting for democracy.

I want to live in a democracy, I believe in our democratic system. Its not perfect, it can do with improvement, but what doesn't need improving?

We have fought, suffered centuries of despotic rule to get to this point. I do not want to throw it away.

I believe in democracy, the EU is not democratic.

BillSykesDog · 17/05/2016 19:53

If people are being shy of saying they support Brexit, it is probably because a section of the left are claiming that all brexits are racist thickos (see above).

This too. I think that 'out' has a chance of winning if this is the case. It happened with the last general election. The left has very successfully waged a campaign of intimidation and suppression of other viewpoints which conflict with theirs. They have made it socially unacceptable to voice certain views. But they haven't actually stopped people holding them.

So at the last GE, according to the polls and social media, Labour stood a strong chance. But what people would say in public conflicted with what they thought in private.

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