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To ask if you think we will stay or go?

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TheoriginalLEM · 17/05/2016 17:21

sorry its the EU.

i don't know that much but my gut feeling is we should stay.

however i think we will leave because strength of feeling seems to lay with the leavers wheras i think stayers might beless likely to vote or be in the not that fussed camp.

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MagratsFlyawayHair · 17/05/2016 20:24

I think we should leave but suspect it'll
Be a stay vote by a narrow margin.

Just5minswithDacre · 17/05/2016 20:25

Fear Ireland is a net beneficiary of the EU (huge understatement). The U.K. Is the opposite - it pays a lot of ££££££ in to the EU

scaryteacher · 17/05/2016 20:28

will be that we'll lose the ease with which we can share intelligence data across Europe - we'll be more vulnerable, not less. Total and utter crap. We give intelligence to Europe, not the other way around. We are a member of the Five Eyes (UK, US, Australia, NZ, and Canada), there is only one EU member state in there, and that is us. Other EU member states would love to join, but are not allowed to.

Intelligence isn't just passed via the EU; heard of NATO? Do you really think that any intel wouldn't get through? If European intelligence data is sooo good, why the shock when Brussels airport and metro were bombed? They should have known that it was coming. I haven't been to Brussels city centre since November, when I went in the week after Bataclan to go to M&S. I didn't like the atmosphere then, and I am just surprised that it didn't happen sooner. Belgium got off lightly.

Just5minswithDacre · 17/05/2016 20:29

(Taking on Russia over Ukraine FFS, joining forces with Turkey even though we know their leader is dangerous..)

Worse even than that, once Turkey is finally in, there will be an absolute ocean of fake EU /Turkish passports and then we'll really know what security concerns are.

scaryteacher · 17/05/2016 20:35

Don't forget Albania, Kosovo, etc all on the accession list.

Coconutty · 17/05/2016 20:39

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WhatEverZen · 17/05/2016 20:43

Genuinely confused by those who say it's undemocratic... Every few years we elect MEPs to represent us don't we??

They decide on membership of the various commissions and groups etc and loads of things are voted on, the U.K. having a key voice and votes

So not sure why it's inherently less democratic than other institutions including those here in the UK. For example, I didn't vote for my local MP and the way he votes in parliament doesn't represent me in any way, yet he's my representative because more people voted for him than my choice ...

Happy to be illuminated ....

CantAffordtoLive · 17/05/2016 20:48

I think the UK/Britain is utterly amazing. I believe we don't need the EU. I doubt that it will survive without us and the huge amount of money that we pay into. I do not like the fact... (please note 'fact') our laws are determined by people who have not been voted into power and have little or no interest in the progression or well being of the UK.

Obviously, I will be voting out.

There is no danger to us by leaving, we are protected by NATO, which is totally independent of the EU. For those of you who think we will fail by leaving, well, how come so many countries who are not part of the EU are doing so well?

I will be voting out but I predict the vote will be to stay in. Much to the detriment of this country, our democracy and our monarchy. I also believe that if our votes counted we would not be given an option to vote but then, feel free to call me cynical. :(

travellinglighter · 17/05/2016 20:53

Think of it this way.

Labour party. (in)
Tories (in {a bit})
Lib Dems(in)
SNP(in)
Plaid Cymru(in)
The CBI (in)
The IMF(in)
The UN (in)
Barack Obama (in)
The Governor of the Bank of England(in)

As opposed to

Boris Johnson
The Nigel Farage
Britain first
EDL
and about a Nimby’s who don’t like brown/foreign people.

I know where I’m voting, even if it’s just to piss the brexiters off.

Limer · 17/05/2016 20:54

Interesting how many think the result will be the opposite to what they're voting. I've been following the polls closely and think the next month is going to tip the balance in favour of Leave, so I'm hoping that my Leave vote will be part of the overall Leave victory.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 17/05/2016 20:55

I hope you're right Limer

BombadierFritz · 17/05/2016 20:57

We will vote leave and be told we cant as the sky will fall

Just5minswithDacre · 17/05/2016 20:59

I hope so too lime

I think it's just that, with such close run polls, people don't dare hope.

BillSykesDog · 17/05/2016 21:00

bombadier I suspect if we did vote leave then the EU would come back with some sort of deal other than the derisory one already made.

BornFreeButinEUchains · 17/05/2016 21:01

I thought it was the Bookies who always seem to get the odds correct not the polls Grin.

Look at the election etc.

We were told the sky will fall if we didn't join the Euro too. Not joining turned into a saving grace.

evilcherub · 17/05/2016 21:01

I want to leave but I think we will stay.

wasonthelist · 17/05/2016 21:14

Genuinely confused by those who say it's undemocratic... Every few years we elect MEPs to represent us don't we??

Yes, but they don't make all the EU laws (there is also the Commission and the Council of Ministers - and we have a small number of MEPs and Ministers (understandably) since we are only one country - we also have no veto, so EU laws which no-one voted for or wanted in the UK can be foisted upon us.

To cite just 2 examples - we have to charge VAT on tampons, and we have to admit criminals with convictions for violence without restriction from other EU countries.

They decide on membership of the various commissions and groups etc and loads of things are voted on, the U.K. having a key voice and votes
Since records began the UK has voted against 72 laws in the Council of Ministers. It has been outvoted every single time.

So not sure why it's inherently less democratic than other institutions including those here in the UK.
Well, explained above - although I agree our system's not perfect either - but we're not having a referendum on that.

wasonthelist · 17/05/2016 21:16

Limer I hope you are right - but I fear we are a conservative (with a small c) nation, afraid of change.

wasonthelist · 17/05/2016 21:19

Billsykes I agree that would be a likely outcome - not least because all the remainers are so keen to say it's impossible.

Even the most ardent remainers say things like "it's clear the EU needs reform" yet nothing short of us voting out is going to get any significant reform.

Quietlifenotonyournelly · 17/05/2016 21:20

If people decide not to vote because they feel it will be wasted as the feeling on here is that we will end up staying in the EU, that is a reason for the leavers to vote iyswim.
I'm most certainly making my vote count.

BornFreeButinEUchains · 17/05/2016 21:21

So not sure why it's inherently less democratic than other institutions including those here in the UK

We have some chance of changing things in the UK, look at the referendum, years of unhappiness and unrest, and the powers that be have had to give us the choice to leave, even though they want to stay.

We simply have no chance whatsoever of influencing or changing policy in the EU.

For those that are not happy with democracy, and the UK government, why on earth would you be happy with yet another thick suffocating layer of it, but removed, hidden, far away Confused.

We have a rough idea who our politicians are, what they are about, ie Dionne Abbott. If she starts to tell us, we must abolish all private schools, we know she is being outrageously hypocritical as she sent her son private. A small example that sprung to mind < but we have an idea of who these people are.

wasonthelist · 17/05/2016 21:23

travellinglighter

You're going to have to do a bit better than that - if you're going to start listing people who make you proud to be voting "in", how about -
Tony Blair
Peter Mandelson
David Cameron
George Osbourne

RortyCrankle · 17/05/2016 21:26

I will be voting Out and think we will leave, by a very small margin. I don't care how small as long as we get the hell out.

BornFreeButinEUchains · 17/05/2016 21:28

that is a reason for the leavers to vote iyswim

A small sample of people I have casually chatted to about this from friends, family and strangers, those who want to leave are passionate about it.

They cannot wait to get to the voting station to put their X on the form.

They are upbeat, positive, and very much - lets shed this sluggish, slimy monster with how many heads, and crack on with being free at last.

LikeDylanInTheMovies · 17/05/2016 21:42

I think it will be a relatively comfortable victory for 'remain'. Even a 3 or 4% lead is vast in a UK wide referendum as the sheer number of people who would have to switch camps is vast.

I certainly don't buy the 'shy brexiter' theory either. They are anything but. Any newspaper will have anti-EU cranks* raving about the topic on any article even tangentially connected to the EU. It distorts the debate almost utterly.

It happened during the last election when the below the line comments were dominated by very vocal and strident UKIP supporters. They were banging the drum telling us all that this was their moment and convinced UKIP were heading for 100+ MPs, based on the fact that they were essentially talking to themselves online and hanging around with people in the same area with similar views to them who were 'all voting UKIP too'.

*I'm not implying that everyone who votes for leave is a crank, but there are certainly a minority who dominate online discussions for whom it seems to occupy their every waking moment.

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