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How will you vote in the EU referendum-Leave or Stay?

1001 replies

BritBrit · 25/04/2016 14:05

How will you be voting? Can admin add a poll?

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lurked101 · 28/04/2016 17:13

The largest contributors are the us and Japan.

SpringingIntoAction · 28/04/2016 17:19

If it receives EU money that is a factor I will take into account when deciding how 'independent' the advice of any EU-funded advice may be.

lurked101 · 28/04/2016 17:31

So all.political parties then.. including ukip?

SpringingIntoAction · 28/04/2016 18:06

Yes, Lurked. Every single one of them.

Always ask - in whose interest is it that I am being told this?

A4Document · 28/04/2016 18:35

Stand by for another euro crisis (Mark Mardell, BBC)

lurked101 · 28/04/2016 18:47

Would that be from the BBC that get EU funding? Lol

BriteRainbowBright · 28/04/2016 18:55

Leave

Limer · 28/04/2016 23:35

A4Document very good point about the looming Euro crisis. Yet another excellent reason to vote Leave.

mindfullmoments · 28/04/2016 23:55

This thread has been very interesting and informative, well done to you mumsnetters who have done their research!
I will be voting in, I'd like to keep my rights as an employee with regards to flexible working, maternity leave and pay etc and feel that we are stronger as a united whole.
Also, it would just become so difficult to have weekend getaways where even the cheap wine is lush!

RedOnHerHedd · 29/04/2016 00:06

Stay. I don't know anyone in RL that is planning on voting to leave.

eyebrowse · 29/04/2016 00:07

If we want to keep the single market then we have to accept people coming from Europe.

IF we are not part of the single market then where will we sell our stuff? China, Brazil etc. are slowing down and Russia and the Arab world we don't want to be too close to.

A4Document · 29/04/2016 01:06

If we want to keep the single market then we have to accept people coming from Europe.

The EU recently signed free-trade agreements with Colombia and Peru, without any requirement to accept freedom of movement.

No other trading group has "freedom of movement" as one of its requirements.

If we leave the EU we'll be able to seek trade agreements around the world and regain our seat at the World Trade Organisation. Since 2010 all regions have seen economic growth, except for Europe.

Time for Britain to remain a European country, but leave the EU and its plans for a superstate.

ExitPursuedByABear · 29/04/2016 07:40

I think we we would still be able to go on holiday to the rest of Europe if we leave.

A4Document · 29/04/2016 08:00

I think we we would still be able to go on holiday to the rest of Europe if we leave.

Yes. Before we joined the EU, many people did of course go on holiday on the continent, work and study in other EU countries, or go and live there.

lurked101 · 29/04/2016 08:07

Argh... yes the EU agreed trade agreements with countries that don't have European borders without freedom of movement. Countries that don't have the same level of trade with Europe and countries that don't have significant numbersavings of ex pats living there.

Daft point to make really.

Daisyonthegreen · 29/04/2016 13:51

Definately with no doubt whatsoever LEAVE.

I did start a Thread " In out shake it all about,the EU what to vote.
The Thread is full but still accessible.

I posted loads of information and my views.

Feel free to have a look.

Plus I was invited to start another Thread entitled "The EU Referendum is nearly upon us .....23 rd of June.

There also I put my case backed by many newspaper articles ranging from the Daily Mail through to The Shetland Times to the Guardian.Plus the Business case to leave The Economic case to leave etcetera, etcetera,loads of information.

Articles by women who wish to leave.Such as Suzanne Moore writing in the Guardian and Priti Patel the Minister of State for employment and Cabinet Minister.

As a mum and along with my husband who is an Economist we are very very happy to vote Leave.

I have contributed extensively to these Threads and therefore will not be posting more.

Do please have a look at them.

I am in the happy position of total confidence in my choice to vote Leave along with my husband,family,pals and acquaintances.

A4Document · 29/04/2016 15:22

The UK is the fifth largest economy in the world. Of course other countries will want to trade with us. You don't have to have a "trade deal" to do business internationally.

ExitPursuedByABear · 29/04/2016 16:06

Don't be silly. If we vote leave then no one will ever want to do business with us again.

Apparently.

And we won't be able to buy anything from anyone else.

Apparently

lurked101 · 29/04/2016 16:22

Creating a straw man there aren't you

Toria2014 · 29/04/2016 17:45

Leave

BronzeBust · 30/04/2016 17:05

Leave

I don't want an unelected bunch of disinterested Eurocrats that don't give a stuff about our county making laws that I have to live by. That's what we have our own Government for. Not perfect I know. But a whole lot better than the undemocratic EU regime. At least we can vote MPs out every 5 years. We cannot do that to the EU commission who make up laws behind closed doors.

I do not want our supreme court trumped by sny other court on the world including the EU supreme court. Our judicial system is fine as it is. We do not need interfering overpaid busy bodies poking their nose into our affairs.

I do not want the free moment of terrorists. Even remainers acknowledge our open borders pose a threat to our country.

I want my daughters to be able to wear what they like and not be told to dress up in some subservient gown in case it offends or causes some types to think they are fair game to be raped. Some cultures do not mix despite all the social engineering from PC units in Government. See Cologne for evidence of this. That was sheer abuse of women's rights and violation of their person. Mass rape is a form of terrorism and I do not want that imported because we cannot control our borders. That story was covered up as it wasn't good PR for the EU. Another disgusting attribute of the EU. Covering up bad news. Thank goodness the Internet, so far, has enabled the general public to rumble events like this.

I do not subscribe to the EU discriminatory migration process. The UK should be able to choose migrants from anywhere in the world on an equal footing. Non EU migrants have to jump through hoops to get here. Migration yes of course we need it when we have jobs on offer that cannot be filled by a native. What on earth is the point of employing migrants only to leave a native unemployed? We need a fair migration system that enables anyone from anywhere in the world to be able to come and work here if their skills are in short supply just like Australia, NZ and the USA. There are very few countries in the world where you can just turn up and have the same or better rights than the natives. Not because they are racist, but because they are sensible.

The argument about the economy cannot be proven one way or the other if we stay or leave. Osborne trying to convince us we'll be worse off in 14 years if we leave is such utter nonsense, I am astonished anyone even takes him seriously any longer. The man can't even predict the figures for the next year accurately, let alone in 14 years time. He said he'd balance our books by 2015. We're still borrowing 69bn a year. It would be like the same as the met office giving us a 14 year weather forecast. Would you take that seriously?

For all we know, the EU might be a complete and utter social mess and financially bankrupt in 14 years and if we're shackled to it, we'll be dragged down that giant plug hole with them. The EU will bleed us dry in an attempt to keep their regime breathing. Just see what they do when a country like ours out performs them. They send in a surcharge bill. The last one we found out about was for £1.7bn. Cameron described it as appalling but he had to pay it. EU rules. We could have built three brand new hospitals and paid the doctors with that money. Or we could have built 10,300 new homes.

In my opinion, t in 14 years time, we stand an equal chance of being better off out of the EU as we would in. It's an evens chance.

On the trading front, countries around the world have been trading for hundreds of years, both with and without formal trading agreements. We did it before the EU was conceived and we will do it when we leave.

How many business leaders in the EU are simply going to stop trading with the UK. The notion is a nonsense. The Germans need and want to sell us Beemers and Mercs, the French need and want to sell us wine and Champagne, the Italians need and need and want to sell us clothes, the Spanish want to sell us olive oil, need I go on.

If the EU commission tries to stop the EU and UK firms trading, there will be serious repercussions for everyone. Everyone loses, not just the UK. The notion that somehow the EU will be just fine losing the UK as a customer without consequence to them is nonsensical.

Germany and France will be left on the hook to subsidise the other 25 counties and the joy of subsidising Turkey, Albania and goodness knows how many more poor countries waiting to join to get handouts from the EU courtesy of the UK taxpayer. The German people are showing clear signs of dissent at Merkel. The Greeks will need a few hundred billion Euro soon. The Spain and Italy have terrible youth unemployment. Shengen counties putting up fences ... free movement when it suits them. The EU bloc is debt ridden with social chaos.
Want to be shackled to the EU shambles?

The EU is economically stagnant compared to Asia. Money is flowing from west to east. The west is borrowing money getting further into debt meanwhile the east is stocking up on gold. Why on earth would we want to be shackled to an economically decaying federal state of Europe with it's civil unrest caused by unchecked migration into the EU, including according to Europol thousands of terrorists. You can't make this stuff up ... it's like some dystopian Orwellian novel in the making.

The UK is good enough to seek her own destiny and I get mightily fed up with people from Cameron downwards trying to convince me we need to be in the EU to succeed. We're the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world. Much smaller countries survive outside the EU and so can we.

The EU needs us. It needs our imports, it needs our juicy subscriptions. What is more, as we become more successful, the EU will send us ever increasing subscription bills. And just who is going to pay for the other 5 poor countries the are slated to join? Answer. The British taxpayer. Happy about that? The news is that we're paying a staggering £2bn to help Turkey to help her join. That's equivalent to another three new hospitals and wages for the doctors or another 12,120 new homes.

Cameron, Osborne and their chums are far too keen, read desperate, for us to remain. They have never given us a balanced view of in or out. I am suspicious.

Had the EU remained purely a trading bloc, then fine. But it has morphed into a Eurostate of 28 countries of which 3 are subsidising the other 25. As more poor countries join, we'll need to pay in more and more until we're bled dry and end up just as poor as all the others. The EU, spreading poverty evenly among all members states. I don't see any wealthy countries queuing up to join; no prizes for guessing why.

The upsides of remain are well and truly trumped by the downsides.

In conclusion:

Trade with the EU ... Yes
Ruled by the EU ... No
End of.
I'm out.

lurked101 · 30/04/2016 17:11

Another long post from bronze containing pseudo intellectual claptrap in a vain attempt to give a level of reasonableness to what are actually very nasty opinions.

AnnaForbes · 30/04/2016 19:31

Crikey, talk about nasty opinions Lurked. You are one of the vilest t posters on MN. I've been on here for 15 years and can't remember a more consistently rude poster.

The Remain camp are getting desperate as more people see through the spin and are choosing Brexit.

Your arguments are lame, noone could possibly be able to predict the costs of leaving or remaining to the nearest £ as Osborne's tried to convince us. There are few certainties whichever way the vote goes. However, should we remain, we can be sure we will be forced into an ever closer union and we will have no control of our borders. We can also be sure TTIP will be ratified resulting in all that entails (none of it to our benefit).

Remainers have often ignored the concerns I've expressed that Turkey will join. In fact I've been told on several threads that it ain't going to happen. With billions of euros of tax-payers money being given to Turkey for pre-accession planning, I am pretty Damn sure they will join. They will form the largest nation in the EU. Imagine that? A country not even in Europe with appalling human rights, nearly 109% Muslim will be the biggest force in the union

PortiaCastis · 30/04/2016 19:35

When I posted on this thread when it was just started I couldn't make up my mind, but now I'm definitely voting to leave

lurked101 · 30/04/2016 19:48

See Anna, that's a nasty opinion.

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