How will you vote in the EU referendum-Leave or Stay?

[BritBrit]

How will you be voting? Can admin add a poll?

ts going to be fully sovereign with a growing economy.

Not according to most sources, definately not in the short run, long run depends on what deal we get with the EU.

the EU belongs to us as much as it does to France or Poland or any other country. It is what we make it.

I take it you didn't see that picture of Cameron trying to negotiate his EU 'special deal' with President Tusk and President Junckers.

I can't remember voting for them.

Something that has power over you does not belong to you. It controls you.

I think you're being really silly.

Something that has power over you does not belong to you. It controls you.

Which you could say about any government, including the UK government.

Cameron was not directly elected by the British people either, by the way.

ts going to be fully sovereign with a growing economy.

Not according to most sources, definately not in the short run, long run depends on what deal we get with the EU.

So is the euro is on its way up then?

funny you should ask, because markets are predicting a tumble of the pound and parity with the euro in the event of Brexit...

www.poundsterlinglive.com/eur/3858-hsbc-and-ubs-forecast-parity-in-euro-to-pound

the relative strength of the pound and euro are only marginally related to the broader point though, which is that most sources are indeed predicting a nasty economic shock for Britain.

The "markets" are such a farce. Made up to suit the top gadgees. I am not listening to any financial reports/statistics at all from EITHER side because both sides make it all up in favour of themselves.

I am voting Leave because I don't want to be part of a mass of countries sponging off the richest. Of course Turkey wants to join, wonder why! I think for poorer countries, the EU is a win-win situation for them but for the richest, I'm not sure of the benefits :S
I don't believe for one second that all trading will stop, it won't. I haven't seen France/Germany say they are going to treat us like crap if we leave.

I'm not listening to Obama because very shortly, it has bigger all to do with him. The TTIP is frightening and I believe being apart of the EU will end up being dictated to by USA on EVERYTHING.

We have been controlled and conditioned for too long.

BUTTERED " I also think the EU gives us valuable protections in terms of employment rights, consumer rights and environmental standards, among other things."

Not for long! Stay in and this is what you'll get.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/ttip-leaks-shocking-what-are-they-eu-us-deal-a7010121.html

Right back at you, Hover ;)

^I take it you didn't see that picture of Cameron trying to negotiate his EU 'special deal' with President Tusk and President Junckers.

I can't remember voting for them.^

How is the UK supposed to make deals if our government can't negotiate with representatives of international organisations/other countries because we didn't vote for them?

Many voters don't appear to understand the powers of the UK government let alone the EU. Representative democracy is an indirect form of democracy. We elect politicians to act on our behalf. Although our politicians are ultimately accountable to us popular participation is limited. The public do not exercise power themselves so the electorate can't tell politicians what to do.

As far as international affairs are concerned the Royal Prerogative means the UK government has powers to negotiate treaties & start wars on behalf of the Queen (not the people) without the backing of or consultation with the public or parliament.

I'm not listening to Obama because very shortly, it has bigger all to do with him.

Your choice post-Obama is:

1. Hillary (the next President), who has said the exact same thing as Obama

2. Trump, who is running on a protectionist and anti-free trade platform.

The TTIP is frightening and I believe being apart of the EU will end up being dictated to by USA on EVERYTHING.

This is ironic. The biggest supporter of TTIP in the EU has been Britain. Right now it looks like protests and criticism from Germany and France have managed to stall TTIP, against Britain's wishes. So you can thank them for that.

If Britain leaves, it'll be tough to strike a quick trade deal with the US because as they've repeatedly said, right now it's not worth it for them to start complex new negotiations with a single country. If Britain wants a fast deal, the only option will be to accept all their terms and swallow TTIP whole, which the Tories will only be too happy to commit to, because it's what they have been rooting for all along.

chalala yes and I can't believe it but the fact is that's what I sin store for the EU and I don't want it. So If we leave we do not have that crappy TTIP deal whether that's what DC wanted (don't say Britain, it's just the tories). I don't trust DC. I want to be separate from England an want to be separate from EU. I don't trust any party or politician really.

"If Britain leaves, it'll be tough" - will it, how do you KNOW?
" they've repeatedly said" you mean BO has said. So what?- Trumpy trumperton is backing Brexit so I really doubt this.
"If Britain wants a fast deal" - Do we? We aren't going to crumble away to nothing just because we want to take some time to make our own deals.
"which the Tories will only be too happy to commit to" - Yes, thank you England for voting in the Tories...

Hover - listening to the financial scaremongering and shoddy statistics through the Scottish referendum I know not to listen to it, it's all bollocks. I do think you have to just go on what you feel is right. None of us can know for certain.

Basically I believe we have 1 shit deal (part of the uk) and one even shitter deal (part of the EU).

So I am voting leave.
Most of the people i know are also voting this way.
Are there any up to date opinion polls out of interest?

The financial scaremongering of the Scottish referendum was not really scaremongering, if the Scots had gone independent they would have been in serious dire straits by now because of the collapse of the oil price and the shrinking of the oil industry in the north sea.

The Scots are massively in net tax deficit and would have had to take on at least some of the debts of the UK as part of any split ( at least a proportional amount).

Whisky, Scotland would not function outside of the UK and EU.

Whisky we can agree on the Tories, the problem is that they are here to stay and will get to decide Britain's strategy after Brexit (unless Labour can pull off the come-back of the century, which personally I don't see happening). Sadly that's the reality we have to work with.

Regarding the US, I did mention that Hillary fully backed Obama's stance, and she is highly likely to be elected (70% bookies odds last I checked). And I wouldn't count on Trump to do Britain any favours, because his entire strategy is to court US working-class voters by saying free-trade agreements put them in unfair competition with workers from other countries. His platform is firmly protectionist of American business and workers.

Lurked - not even the No campaign predicted the fall of the price of Oil. So to them it was "lucky" and can now say "SEE!" when they had not a clue!
But also, it's probably a short term thing in comparison to the rest of Scotland's future and I voted Yes for the future.

I honestly don't see why the whole EU can't just dismantle and we all get on with trading with who we want, when we want, allowing who we want in and they can do the same.

Chalalala - I think I struggle with the whole "we have to accept it". We don't.

But if we stay in the EU I think it's a dead cert that we have to sign the TTIP, at least out of it, it gives us time to renegotiate. If the public were made aware of what we were signing up to via DC I doubt they'd be voting Tory.

www.theweek.co.uk/eu-referendum/65461/eu-referendum-poll-support-for-brexit-edges-ahead-of-remain

oof! This is exactly what happened with the Scottish referendum.

I will just wait for another "vow" and a comment from the queen to steer the sheep.

But hover - we will definitely get it if we are part of the EU so why not take a chance?

How come they put a 30 year ban on the public seeing the documents? It must be SO GOOD for us if they have to do that!

Anything must be better!

Whisky I admire your optimism, but I'm a realist and this is too important to gamble with.

The Tories are in power until at least 2020. I don't see a way round this, do you? Which gives them 3+ years to formulate Britain's post-Brexit strategy. They'll be the ones to decide. And what they want (especially the Brexit Tories) is deregulation and the rule of free markets, to make Britain "competitive" globally. In practice this means fewer working rights, lower salaries, etc.

I have the opposite view to yours - I think we get a not-so-great deal within the EU, but that we'll get a really, really terrible deal outside of it.