How will you vote in the EU referendum-Leave or Stay?

[BritBrit]

How will you be voting? Can admin add a poll?

Whisky2014, problem is the poll of poll takes the average of the last 6 polls & more recent polls were online. For some reason online polls have consistently found more support for Leave than Remain, & phone polls vice versa.

we will definitely get it if we are part of the EU so why not take a chance?

We won't definitely get it, and if we do it'll be in an attenuated form. EU countries have major reservations about TTIP and have been negotiating hard to get concessions. Which they can do because the EU deals with the US as an equal. In fact, by all accounts the negotiations have stalled right now, because public opinion is so opposed to it and the governments have to take notice if they know what's good for them.

But Tory Britain would have neither the means nor the will to resist TTIP. In fact the Tories actively want it, and they'll be the ones negotiating. This does not sound like the safer option to me, at all.

No nooo Chalalala I am a realist and realise we don't need to be part of a group to survive. I'm not conditioned to think we NEED the EU.
We don't have to be reliant on anyone. It's like being a SAHM married to a man who works fulltime maybe slipping us a fiver here and there when we could go out and work for ourselves.

4 years is nothing for the rest of the future of Britain.

We could re-negotiate :)

"best interests of the EU" but that may not be necessarily the best interests of us. Is it?

It's not like being a SAHM at all!

It's more like being gainfully employed with holiday pay sick pay and maternity pay and a decent pension, and having the opportunity to be self-employed.

Sure, we could become the next Richard Branson. It's possible. But it's more likely that we would either fail or have to work extremely hard all the time to achieve a standard of living which would most likely be no better than that which we had when we were employed and on a salary, and could well be a lot worse.

Along with more than half of the rest of Britain, eh hover. It's nice up here.

More than half?

Yes, that's right. The referendum has already happened. So no need for you or any of your friends to leave your house on 23rd June. In fact, the end of June is a great time to take a holiday abroad.

I was going by what STIDW said upthread talking about opinion polls...

So Buttered - what's your take on the TTIP then?

"not even the No campaign predicted the fall of the price of Oil. So to them it was "lucky""

The No side repeatedly pointed out that a lot of the SNP/Yes side's economic data and promises were calculated with projected oil revenues and said it was over reliant on primary resources. Revenue volatility is a well known concept.

TTIP seems likely to be stopped by the French and the Germans, as pointed out elsewhere our Atlantic Bridge fans (Gove, Boris etc) would have signed it already and have repeatedly said so.

Its another thing the leave campaign are using erroneously to try to prove their points.

The opinion polls weren't very accurate before the general election though, were they?

Sorry if I'm coming across as somewhat on the offensive, but the Brexiters shouting all over social media about how "we are leaving the EUSSR!" and "23rd June will be our Independence Day!" as if the result is a foregone conclusion really make my shit itch (if you'll pardon the expression).

It makes me hope even more for a strong remain vote so we can say, "look, clearly you don't speak for everyone, and you've had your say, you lost, so pipe down".

Not that it's worked in Scotland.

My position on TTIP is pretty much the same as what Lurked and Chalalala have already said. I can't really add anything. If we leave and go it alone, we will get TTIP with knobs on, and voting in a Labour government at the next election is not going to undo the damage.

Lurked -
Yes but they didn't predict the VAST fall to what was it a couple of months ago? $36/barrel. No one saw that coming!
I agree it was overly reliant though.

I voted Yes but I was still sceptical about the figures which is why is aid upthread I wont listen to EITHER side.

It just seems like you all think the UK is nothing without these other countries. :/

No, I certainly do not, but we live in a far more integrated world than we did when we first joined the common market.

Can I ask a question? How has being in the EU deprived you of any freedoms?What has it cost you?

But we hear it from the Remain team too, that's how social media works? :s
I hate terms such as Brexit - media jargon crap.
Teams like "Jennifer" or "Angelina" it's so agrresive and harsh.

"It makes me hope even more for a strong remain vote so we can say, "look, clearly you don't speak for everyone, and you've had your say, you lost, so pipe down"."
Ok but if the result is Leave - will you accept that you don't speak for everyone and you lost and pipe down?

It's nice to be optimistic :)

I think the money we paid as a membership alone could have been invested into our own economy. Billions - what could we have done with that. Yes i know we get back from the EU but does it even out? I am really not sure.
I don't think it does us any favours per se.
If there was no EU I think that would be best for all.

It just seems like you all think the UK is nothing without these other countries.

That's really not true. I think the UK is stronger in the EU, and the EU is stronger with the UK inside it. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

Ah but thats the biggest what if of all. we get about half of what we send to Brussles back directly but how much more do we get indirectly and how much have we benefited from European money being invested in other areas which then improves their trade with us.

Will the brexit crowd agree to be quiet if the vote is remain? I don't thinks so.

Yep, well, I know I would. I accepted the No campaign won and haven't bumped my gums. Same as plenty others.

Ok but if the result is Leave - will you accept that you don't speak for everyone and you lost and pipe down?

The difference is that if the result is Leave, then we Leave and that's it. No point arguing, we'll all have to just get on with it and hope for the best. But if the result is Remain, then there's always the hope of another referendum down the line, which is why the Brexit side will not pipe down, far from it. If anything they may get louder.

If there was no EU I think that would be best for all.

I think most EU countries would disagree. The smaller countries have an obvious advantage in it. Germany has the weight of history. France may have a mighty superiority complex, but deep down it knows its influence would dwindle outside the EU. Tacky as it sound, I think it's really true that we are stronger if we stick together.

But there is an EU, and leaving will not make it go away.

At the end of the day, it's not about how much we pay to the EU and how much we get back from them in funding. When you look at it like that, it's always going to seem like we get a raw deal.

But the extra money that comes into our economy because we are in the EU - for example, from major international companies choosing to base their EU headquarters here - absolutely dwarfs the amount we pay to be part of it.

My feeling is that if we leave the EU the reduced investment in the away will mean there is less money to go round, not more...even after we have "saved" the money we used to contribute to the EU budget. So there won't be loads of extra cash floating around to invest in our economy.

And even if there was, what would it be spent on? Would the Tories invest in the NHS or our universities? Unlikely. Would Labour maintain subsidies for farmers? Unlikely.

Tax cuts for millionaires seem a lot more likely if I'm honest! (Although it's an academic point because I really don't think there will be any extra money to spend on anything - more likely the opposite.)

Another thing is that at the moment, farmers and universities know that they can get EU funding every year, regardless of who is in power. It's a politically stable source of vital funding for them. If you knew that your financial stability could be completely destroyed every time there was a change of government, how could you plan for the future?

It's basically a big bribe.
Pay us and we will give you the best deal.

What a fucking farce.

No, it's pay your gym membership fee and you can enjoy the facilities. That's how business works.

What would the Remainers here think of a single world government, which some say is the eventual goal of the EU and USA?