How will you vote in the EU referendum-Leave or Stay?

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How will you be voting? Can admin add a poll?

Mnhq won't count a post on a thread as a report.

Lol TeamLurked trying to shut down debate on leaving the EU.

Frankly, I'd rather her posts stay up so that any undecideds can see exactly what kind of person she is...

So would those who fill my Inbox with their appreciation of giving the Leave side a voice and urge me to ignore the personal abuse that some on here are determined to heap on me.

Play nicely Hover.

You wouldn't want anyone reading this to think REMAIn voters are not very nice people.

Springing, you've taken that quote out of the context of the rest of my post, in which I gave examples of things you'd said that I found contradictory and confusing.

I also pointed out what I perceived as a flaw in your argument (about the amount of EU funding the BBC receives), intending/hoping for an engaged discussion about it.

I am finding it hard to find a personal attack in what I've said. Of course you're always free to report to HQ for their opinion and mediation. I've reported a couple of your posts.

You've used the term 'TeamLurked' before, Springing. I still don't understand your point in doing so.

Springing, you've taken that quote out of the context of the rest of my post, in which I gave examples of things you'd said that I found contradictory and confusing.

^ Just look at that. ^The sentence calling into question my mental health was at the bottom of the post - disassociated by space from the rest of it ^

EXCUSE RATING = FAIL

I also pointed out what I perceived as a flaw in your argument (about the amount of EU funding the BBC receives), intending/hoping for an engaged discussion about it.

^Just look at that^ So a j'ustification' for questioinng someone's mental health - your disappointment that they didnt agree wor failed to discuss something you, not they, wanted to discuss

EXCUSE RATING = FAIL

^I am finding it hard to find a personal attack in what I've said. Of course you're always free to report to HQ for their opinion and mediation. I've reported a couple of your posts^

Don't worry - I know where the Report button is too.

I'd rather debate the EU than threaten other posters.

What a childish playground spat.

Get a grip and stop the sniping FFS.

You've used the term 'TeamLurked' before, Springing. I still don't understand your point in doing so.

Need to know, OnlyLovers.

You don't need to know.

What a childish playground spat.

Hear, hear

Get a grip and stop the sniping FFS.

Believe me I am trying to debate the EU here. I keep asking them to play nicely.

Springing, I was hoping that by acknowledging the proportion of the BBC's budget was funded by the EU we could continue an informed and engaged debate.

You've lost me with the mental health comment, TBH. And I'm not threatening to report your posts. I have reported them.

That's it from me now.

You've lost me with the mental health comment, TBH. And I'm not threatening to report your posts. I have reported them.

Let me help you out there OnlyLovers.

When you say you are having difficulty maintaining a rational discussion with someone who posts like I do, which is what you said, you are deliberately calling into question my cognitive ability to hold a rational conversation.

The opposite of rational is irrational. You have accused me of being mentally impaired. an

Questioning a fellow posters mental health is a disgusting thing to do

I have reported this post too

the Treasury is saying Brexit would mean a very bad economic shock.

Yes, Osborne has presented some wilfully distorted figures to make it look far worse than is likely.

You're missing my point, which was that the Treasury had no issues in the past repeatedly going against the wishes of the Chancellor and PM to recommend against the euro. So there is no obvious reason to think they would suddenly have become dishonest and slaves to political expediency.

You're missing my point, which was that the Treasury had no issues in the past repeatedly going against the wishes of the Chancellor and PM to recommend against the euro. So there is no obvious reason to think they would suddenly have become dishonest and slaves to political expediency.

You may be confusing The Treasury with an independent 'Bank of England'.

The Treasury cannot 'go against the wishes of the Chancellor and PM', as you suggest. The Treasury comprises Civil Servants whose role is to work 'for' the Government (whichever Government is in power).

If the Government asked for a Treasury opinion then that opinion would be advisory and would not be 'going against what the Chancellor and PM wanted'.

It is known that Blair wanted to join the Euro and Brown, as Chancellor, cautioned against it and set 5 tests for entry - which were not met. The Treasury was used to ascertain whether the tests had been met. At no time did the Treasury recommend joining the Euro - that is not their role

The treasury can advise though..and I'm sure I've raid their warnings on the euro.

Also spring, if the bank of England is independent why don't you think their analysis that brexit would be economically damaging is valid?

The Government can take advice from anyone it wants - civil servants or paid consultants. If it wants independent advice it should get it from the CS. If it wants advice to suit its own policies it tends to go to private management consultants.

It's known as 'rubber-stamping' - getting an 'expert view' to back what you want to do anyway, so if every thing goes TU they can say they took expert advice.

Re BoE - The only true views you will hear are the views of the retired public servants the ones who have their knighthoods and don't have their eyes on big Corpa directorships. Everyone else is just earning their knighthoods or ennoblement.

I wonder if we are witnessing the slow death of the EU, a regime built on flawed ideology.

Schengen is being disregarded and borders hastily erected, the Greeks are facing yet another debt crisis, the TTIP deal is in tatters, MEPs rebelling against the visa-free deal for Turkey, new migrant routes opening up, punitive fines for countries not taking refugees, the Dublin Regulations at a point of abandonment.

Is this a club you would vote to join?

Once we vote out, it will fall like a house of cards.

I hope so Anna

Why would you hope for the EU to fail after Brexit? The EU may not be your cup of tea, but if it's what other countries want for themselves, it seems a bit strange to me to hope that they don't get it... I only know the French case well, but the ideal of the EU is popular, if anything it's the execution rather than the concept that people object to.

I think it could go either way, there could be more referendums (referenda?!) but there's also the possibility that Brexit would free up Europe to move towards deeper faster integration, since it's usually been Britain objecting to the idea.

Nationalism is not the same as patriotism folks.

Hoping for the EU to fail after Brexit is essentially wishing chaos and economic misery on an entire continent full of people. How...pleasant.

Hoping for the EU to fail after Brexit is essentially wishing chaos and economic misery on an entire continent full of people. How...pleasant.

I look at it positively - liberation from the EU. The EU is not the entire continent. There are many countries that are in Europe but not in the EU - yet.

Yeah, don't kid yourself you'll be doing anyone a massive favour.