In,out,shake it all about,the EU ,what's best to vote.

[Daisyonthegreen]

Nothing on here,or am I wrong,I'm a newbie so be patient with me.
Anyhow here goes it's the Referendum on the European Union on the 23 June this year.
I'm voting Leave.
How's about you guys?

Norway, Switzerland and Iceland are almost in the EU, let's face it. They contribute to the budget, they have to accept free movement, and they have to follow most of the rules. And if they don't follow the rules, they find the benefits are curtailed.

What Brexit Would Look Like for Britain

Iceland, Norway and Switzerland aren't rushing to join the EU though, are they?

Realistically, the idea that Britain should stay in the EU to "influence" things is not worth much. The 27 other countries, and more probably to join, collectively have nearly all the influence.

Some quotes from the article above...

"the EU generated 52,183 legal instruments between 2000 and 2013, of which Norway adopted 4,724 — 9 per cent. A written answer to a parliamentary question in Iceland found a similar proportion: 6,326 out of 62,809 EU legal acts between 1994 and 2014. Yet rather than use the official statistics, Europhiles have seized on a remark by a Eurofanatical Norwegian minister to the effect that ‘three quarters of our laws’ come from Brussels, and have -solemnly translated that throwaway line into an official-sounding ‘75 per cent’."

"In Switzerland, there is no ambiguity: the figure is zero per cent."..."though Swiss exporters must meet EU standards when selling to the EU (just as they must meet Japanese standards when selling to Japan), they generally don’t apply those standards to their domestic economy. Britain, by contrast, must apply 100 per cent of EU regulations to 100 per cent of its economy."

"Zurich doesn’t need to worry about the expensive and sometimes downright malicious EU regulations that menace London: the Alternative Investment Fund Managers Directive, the short-selling ban, the bonus cap, the Financial Transactions Tax."

"The EU takes 64 per cent of Swiss exports, as opposed to 45 per cent of British exports. Europhiles like to claim that ‘around’ half of our exports go to the EU, but that figure has fallen by 10 per cent since 2006. How much lower must it go before we drop the idea that we need to merge our political institutions?"

"‘Iceland is much better off outside the EU,’ says prime minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson. ‘Unemployment is minimal, purchasing power has never been higher, and we have control over our own legal framework, currency and natural resources.’"

Switzerland has the 4 freedoms though and pays in to the EU as doe Norway and Iceland.

Also I'd be careful about quoting from an article by a pro brexit Conservative MEP, he's over playing the number of legal instruments, not all of them are applicable all the time. Norway and Iceland still had no control over the imposition of 9% of their laws and currently about 12% of ours come from the EU and we do have some control. They all contribute as well, Norway pays 90% per capita of what the UK does.

Better in that out.

currently about 12% of ours come from the EU and we do have some control

In what way have we controlled anything within the EU? Just voting with the majority status quo when laws go through doesn't mean we have "controlled" anything. It's what happens when we disagree which is more important, and the answer is that we are sidelined and ignored. For example we're routinely outvoted, and David Cameron's proposed "reforms" are small and not even binding at this point. The EU is going irriversibly towards controlling its members far more than any one country can supposedly exert any "control" over the EU. We're just one of 28 member states and our tiny percentage of influence will drop further as more countries join.

Just because the EU has been peaceful so far doesn't mean it will always be so. With the rise of the far right, there will be conflicting ideologies and even more tensions within the bloc. The EU project is failing and I say leave while we still can.

The idea that we will have any more control over anything if we leave is a complete fallacy.

I am almost tempted to vote for Brexit so we can have the fun of watching as it slowly dawns on Boris Johnson that he backed the wrong horse and he now has the world's worst job as the prime minister who actually has to deal with the consequences of Brexit.

But whilst that would be extremely amusing, it would be accompanied by a lot of economic uncertainty (at best) or pain (more likely) for millions of ordinary people, so on second thoughts maybe it wouldn't be so funny after all.

The French have a glorious phrase which translates roughly as "Don't try to fart above your arsehole."

That is the UK in a nutshell.

Balkans.
The Serbs were portrayed as the villains, and still are, but for 3 years before the fighting broke out in Yugoslavia they had suffered muslim jihad. That was so well covered up that no where in the press at the time could you find a reason behind the fighting. The reason is that Serb women were being attacked and raped, as per Cologne and other European cities 20+ years later.

However, unnecessary killings were done by all sides.

www.floppingaces.net/2016/04/01/how-the-betrayal-of-radavan-karadzic-led-to-jihad-in-brussels-guest-post/

Oh you've really topped it now. That blog posts is real tin hat conspiracy theory stuff.

No it isnt. I am speaking to two Yugoslavs, one Serbian the other Croatian. They both confirm that after years of living peacefully enough, about 10 yrs after Tito died the religious agitators got to work. This was probably the first case of jihad on European soil in modern history, but of course we were not meant to view it in that way. The NY Eve Cologne et all attacks were also suppressed. UK did not hear about it for 4 days, and even then it was greatly played down because the perps were the migrant men from MENA countries.

And how is our leaving the EU going to protect us from religious maniacs. Again I have to bring up the land border we are going to have to maintain should Scotland leave the UK following Brexit. And I'm pretty sure the 7/7 bombers were British. Although their parents or grandparents may have been born outside the EU. As were mine.

I was responding to this earlier exchange between two posters.

" It's NATO who have kept the peace, not the EU."
What, like the Balkans?

I said that in response to a statement that European countries outside the EU had enjoyed a similar level of peace and stability. I'm only 30 and yet I clearly remember a time when the Balkans were still a war zone, so that statement is clearly incorrect.

Of course he opinion of two unnamed people giving anecdotal evidence trumps that of political analaysis and news reports of the time. Sorry cut forgot that. Oh and your blog refers to a convicted war criminal as a hero.. nice.

Just voting with the majority status quo when laws go through doesn't mean we have "controlled" anything.

This is a circular argument. By definition when Britain gets its way, it votes with the majority. The decision you want is the decision adopted, that's a win. I'm not sure what other process you're imagining for Britain to "get its way".

History is written by the victors fella. You know that.

Personally I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to tell two people that were giving me anecdotal evidence they were talking nonsense because I read otherwise in a paper.

But then I am not the font of all knowledge like you.

P.S Brexit still leading in the polls.

I know Croats who would be horrified to know that their war of independence is classified as something started by religious aggitators.

I also remember the reasons given for war at the time and although here were different ethnicities fighting the wars were about independence from Yugoslavia. The balkans has been brought into this to deny the fact that the EU brought peace and let's be honest since its inception in 1948 it has. The longest period of peace in western Europe in centuries.

“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

This quote is displayed on a plaque at the EU visitor centre. The EU agenda loud and clear; an end to national sovereignty and the creation of a federal superstate. We cannot give up our sovereignty, we will never have the privilege of it again.

The concerns we all have about loss of sovereignty to the EU are shared across individual EU nations. It isn't some anti British cabal. But it does need to accept EU wide concerns about a super state. And I'm still for Remain.

The quote is by a British civil servant

And federalism isn't a bad word. All it means is that states accept to share some of their powers, as is already the case. Not "to give up all of their powers", as some of you seem to believe.

www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/healthcare_workers_say_we_should_vote_leave_to_save_the_nhs?utm_campaign=160412_c_news&utm_medium=email&utm_source=voteleave
NHS workers past and present ask us to vote LEAVE on the 23 rd June2016 to save our NHS.
I shall do just that.

Uh huh.. yet more partisan websites, and very few names on it. Great posting daisy , your critical thinking prowess dwarfs me. All hail brexit and the shit storm that is to come.

Vote will exit bit you will regret it.

Lurked101
You are just being rude now and that's unnecessary.To vote to leave an undemocratic ,beaureaucratic,not fit for purpose organisation is my right.
Democracy is precious.

I never said it wasn't, but to only look at partisan sources is to be uniformed. Which in a democracy is dangerous.

to only look at partisan sources is to be uniformed. Which in a democracy is dangerous.

Tell that to the government with their extremely one-sided "information" booklet...

I don't just look at that. But have you had it yet? How can you say it's one sided?