In,out,shake it all about,the EU ,what's best to vote.

[Daisyonthegreen]

Nothing on here,or am I wrong,I'm a newbie so be patient with me.
Anyhow here goes it's the Referendum on the European Union on the 23 June this year.
I'm voting Leave.
How's about you guys?

Anna,
There will always be extremists in society we must combat them together not apart.

Andy,
Amazing! All those words and no trace of facts, experiences or examples! I've witnessed and benefited from the standardisation implemented not only in the technical arena but also the business arena not to mention improved human rights protection and working conditions. The world is an ever smaller place and we have to resct to it.

*an ever smaller place and we have to react to it.

I am sure you can check the Portsmouth news and oddschecker

The former head of MI 6 has said Britain is likely to be much safer from terror if we left the Eu.
Sir Richard deadline said that we could better control who comes into the country and without the ridiculously difficult European Court of human rights we would find it much easier to deport 'undesirables' (remember hook hand hamza ) and others.
We also have the best security and intelligence service in Europe that provides far more information than it gets in return.
Along with our balance of payments deficit the Eu would be really cutting off its nose to spite it's face if they wanted to punish us over brexit which they won't.
So we can now say Britain is for sure likely to be more safer and more prosperous by leaving the Eu.

Good news. The former head of MI 6 has said Britain would be stronger and safer by not being a member of the Eu.
Sir Richard Dearlove said in the event of a leave vote Britain could much better control which people would be allowed to enter our country and it would be much easier to deport enemies of the state and undesirables without being obstructed by the European courts for criminals rights. Remember how difficult it was to remove hook hand hamza and others.
In any event our main ally and information sharing partner is the usa and together we provide more information to the Eu than is returned to us.
So there you have it Britain will be far more safer,secure and with the balance of payments deficit being the ace in the pack for a free trade deal a more prosperous country too.
Only the weak,uninformed or those with a vested interest would vote to to remain.
The wise will vote to leave the EU.

Yawn. ECHR and EU are two different institutions.

Very thoughtful piece from a Eurosceptic on why staying in is better www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12202394/Why-this-lifelong-Eurosceptic-is-now-voting-to-stay-in.html

Reading between the lines Mr Duncan is more concerned about losing his cheap Polish plumber and the rise of the far right in Germany.
He is obviously loyal to David Cameron and probably sees this stance as his preferred option for no other reason than advancing his career come the tory cull should we remain.
So we could possibly say he has vested interests
The economic arguments and security debate have been addressed by people far more qualified than him in favour of brexit.
You have to do better wadnan

Mr Duncan is more concerned about losing his cheap Polish plumber and the rise of the far right in Germany.

Typical. Who cares if the far right rises in Germany, eh? We'll be sound and safe in Britain. History has shown how well this reasoning works.

Just to be very clear, I am not saying we're about to see another nazi regime, of course not. But it is wishful thinking to think that Europe's problems are not Britain's problems, in or out of the EU. And we'll be better off if we work together to solve them.

Hovercraft
Ex head of MI 6, ex governor of the bank of England. Both saying we are better and more secure out. They
are both retired so have nothing to gain by lying. Sadly it wasn't the same for the head of the British chamber if Commerce who was ruthlessly sacked for being honest about the benefits of brexit
The remain campaign nationally and on this forum are badly losing the argument and their/your spin tactics of fear and scaremongering is easy to see through and debunk.
The latest one on radio 4 this morning about energy prices going up was totally destroyed.
Back to the drawing board lads and lasses
You will have to think of a better plan because project fear is badly letting you down.

we'll be better off if we work together to solve them.

But I don't see a spirit of togetherness in Europe. I see an agenda which is followed regardless of anything else. How much influence has Cameron had on negotiating a supposedly "reformed" EU? And isn't it possible to work together with countries without joining under a single administration, having the same flag etc.?

I think the EU is either going to break up in a messy way, or become even more heavy-handed and undemocratic, and it's better if we leave now.

As I mentioned on another thread, the LGBT community also came out in favour of Brexit test.

There is also a Labour Party group in the Brexit camp.

A broad coalition.

*yest

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506991/UK-safer-Europe-says-former-MI6-chief-Sir-Richard-Dearlove-suggests-Brexit-make-easier-deport-terrorists.html

This is a very important development.

I had some EU pamphlet put through the door today. On it, it quotes "The referendum result at UK level may well be extremely close and Scotland's votes could make the difference in delivering a vote to stay". If the stay vote does win, by the margin of Scottish votes (not that it should make a difference its a UK vote) I can see relations really fraught between Scotland and certain sections of England, as effectively we are going to be blamed for stopping Brexit. just like when scottish mps successfully vote against english mps in westminister.

the LGBT community also came out in favour of Brexit.

Not true - this is how disinformation spreads.

SOME people who identify as LGBT have formed a group supporting Brexit. They don't speak for the entire LGBT community. I don't believe there's official polling of LGBT attitudes to the EU, but here's one LGBT news website's poll which shows 62% readers' support for the staying in the EU

www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/01/out-and-proud-group-will-make-an-lgbt-case-for-leaving-the-eu/

"effectively we are going to be blamed for stopping Brexit."

If Scottish votes stop Brexit and then Scotland becomes independent from the rest of the UK, perhaps there will be another referendum in the UK.

Rock unit
That ain't gonna happen. If Scotland had voted pro independence they would have been in big trouble now.
The Scots were taken in by the spin of the SNP but they won't fall for it again.

If Scottish votes 'stop' Brexit, then id very much doubt there being another Independence referendum. But id expect some sort of backlash from the stereotypical Daily Mail/UKIP type who will lay the blame of the UK staying in the EU solely at Scotlands door totally ignoring all the people from the rest of the UK voting to stay of course.

I don't think there has to be "blame" involved, and not everyone in favour of Brexit is a fan of the Daily Mail or UKIP. It's not a case of "ignoring" the "stay" voters from the rest of the UK, but if they're outnumbered after Scotland leaving, then it could be argued it would be fair for another referendum to take place. Obviously Cameron wouldn't organise that though, as he's for staying.

Harassed, Lumping brexit voters in one homogenous mass of ukipers and DM readers is lazy. I'm neither but will campaign to leave the EU.

im not lumping all brexit voters into one homgenous mass. Im well aware that a large portion of these voters are normal decent people. But there is a loud section of them, usually to be found in the comments section of the Daily Mail, who are nothing short of racist idiots who make no secret of their disgust for Scotland whilst championing UKIP. It was very apparent throughout the Independence campaign. And I have no doubt that Daily Mail would spin this story to be the fault of Scotland voters.

come on, the Daily Mail is fair. If Brexit wins I'm sure the headline will be "tragic Scotland torn away from EU by selfish English voters".