In,out,shake it all about,the EU ,what's best to vote.

[Daisyonthegreen]

Nothing on here,or am I wrong,I'm a newbie so be patient with me.
Anyhow here goes it's the Referendum on the European Union on the 23 June this year.
I'm voting Leave.
How's about you guys?

Anna Forbes
Exactly ,
please people read this link ,our NHS is at terrible risk if we stay in the EU.

Http:www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

Being out of the EU doesn't change the current crisis. You can't expect to hide behind a thin strip of water! Solve the problem together and keep the people near their homeland. now more than ever we need to stand together.

It is nothing to do with the English Channel,we need stringent border control,we cannot have that in the EU,pressure is already being brought to bear on us to join the open borders disaster that is the Shengen agreement,Turkey is inevitably going to join the EU with the prospect of millions potentially of Turks wanting to relocate to the UK because of our NHS and benefit system.
We haven't the infrastructure.
There is no question of standing together when the actual EU leaders ignore the feelings of their own populace,they will hardly care about the populace of other EU member states if they do not care about their own populace.
One is naieve to think otherwise.
Vote Leave to protect our own people.

Chalalala
Below is a link,there are sections regards research etc,it may be helpful.
businessforbritain.org/change-or-go/

We are not part of the shengen agreement. Leaving the EU does not effect our obligations under the United Nations charter on refugees. Leaving will make us more vulnerable. We must work together to strengthen Europe and provide protection to those in need. That protection may mean accepting refugees it may mean providing protection in their country of origin or a neighbouring country. What it requires is unity.

There is no unity,there is however resentment and blackmail.We will inevitably be railroaded into Shengen if we do not exit the EU.
No one suggests that the UK would not help refugees by gosh we have always been a generous country.
No one suggests we would not give Aid ,we have just given £8 billion to India.
However we have not the infrastructure to take in many many thousands more.
Inevitably we run the risk of our infrastructure being overwhelmed and becoming a Third World Country ourselves.
What good would we be to others then? let alone ourselves?
One cannot be naieve,one must have foresight and employ commonsense.
I post a link here which may interest readers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3499652/Could-lead-war-Europe-Apocalyptic-yes-conflict-avoided-MAX-HASTINGS-says-unchecked-mass-migration-make-Europe-unrecognisable.html

Daisy,
Leaving the EU will not change the effects of non EU migration. Working together we can resolve this issue. Apart we will suffer all the problems of irregular migration and uncontrollable routes.

But we don't work together. Germany makes the decisions and we acquiesce.

And going back to the earlier point about academic funding, any EU grants come from money we paid them in the first place. We pay in more than we get back out, that is irrefutable. Imagine how much money we could put straight into R&D if we didn't keep sending money to an unaudited body to bolster smaller economies and pay our blackmailers.

All the UK university leaders are saying leaving the EU would be harmful to the Higher Ed sector. You're free to disagree.

Daisy, thank you for the link, but it does acknowledge that UK research is one of the sectors that benefits from the EU. The solution suggested to make up for the funding shortfall is to join the EEA. This would mean free movement of people with the EU. Is this really what Brexiters want?

Qhy would you expect to get more money from the EU than you put in unless you think that we coint as under developed? What we get back for the money we invest in the EU is am economic and political arena thatprovides us a powerful voice in the world. The EU has reduced the Approvals overhead in my industry through standardisation and in doing so made internstional trade easier resulting in UK companies being recognised as world leaders in the sector. That's what our membership provides and no we couldn't get that in return for inward investment of the current sums we provide to the EU.

Our membership provides for a cartel for the multinationals. Following Eu dictats and bureaucracy and the massive costs associated with that restricts many smaller businesses competing.
The issues are more than economic in any case. It is principly about maintaining the fabric and culture of our country in very dangerous times.
I want a future for my grandkids like I have had and I along with more and more people are seeing the light that brexit is the only way to ensure that.

It is principly about maintaining the fabric and culture of our country in very dangerous times.

This means "anti-immigration", right? You can just say it plainly you know, it's clearly a very popular argument.

Personally, my bet is that a post-Brexit Boris government would knife the anti-immigration vote in the back by keeping the UK in the EEA.

It's not anti immigrants. It's about controlling immigration and making choices as to which immigrants are to be accepted in this country bases on their background and what skills they have to offer.
Immigrants from anywhere in the world would be welcome providing they met set requirements to be arranged post brexit.

So it's not "anti-immigrants", it's just anti the current immigrants. Got it.

Wrong again.
It's about achieving the best with immigration. Whether they are current immigrants or not.
I don't want to see my country being swamped with thousands of unskilled Eu
Migrants claiming they are entitled to be here as they have a job selling the big issue.

We have major issues of slavery in this country and many Eu citizens that have come here claiming they have work here are often the victims.
This is because of unchecked immigration. I have an ex colleague who heads a slavery charity and you would be astounded at how many people are victims of forced labour/slavery and suffer the most terrible abuse.
This is all brought about by our lax rules on Imigration within the Eu.
We need to control our borders and welcome those migrants from whereever who have checked employment with suitablr responsible employers.
The present system is a licence for the worst kind of criminality.
Only a vote to leave will solve this issue.

Andy,
Still quoting reandom "Red Tape" regulation helps b ussiness putting everybody on the same footing. It helps customers and the public in terms of safety and fonteds for purpose. But most of all UK businesses will still need to adhere to all of the EU direcrtives applicable to their area of b ussiness to continue to sell to the EU! In fact as we would need regulation in the UK they would then have to apply with both... good plan?

Andy, I'm so glad to read that you want to get rid of EU immigrants for their own good. Heart-warming stuff, really.

I'm pro-immigration, but with very rigorous controls. We don't have the infrastructure to allow just anyone from the EU to move here. We certainly couldn't cope with massive numbers of migrants from outside the EU coming here via a boat from Turkey and then Germany. The NHS is creaking at the seams, last year 1 in 4 births was to women not born in the UK, there's definitely a cause and effect there.

Employment rights are being eroded because cheap labour is so freely available. For every bright young EU graduate doing a NMW job, there's a local school-leaver who didn't get that job being supported on benefits by the UK taxpayer.

(not to mention, most UK human trafficking victims come from Asia and Africa, but hey - don't let that get in the way of your "Brexit will solve EVEYTHING" fairytale)

Chalalala, do you know someone called Emilybohemia by chance? She had this funny habit of deliberately misinterpreting posts which were in conflict with her agenda.

I'm pro controlled immigration. My dad was an immigrant and I'm very proud of my diverse ethnic roots. DH is ethnic minority. But to allow uncontrolled and rapid immigration has put a huge strain on our public services, national security is compromised and women across the EU have watched their liberty slip away. We must control who comes to our country; to allow open borders is suicide.

People have raised many valid concerns such as non EU migration and the Syrian crisis. However, none of these problems are eased or solved by leaving the EU, in fact theybecome more difficult to solve

We could set up a free trade agreement instead of joining an EEA. It would take time but it's not impossible.

More markets will be available to trade with as a result of brexit without the rules and regulations of the Eu. Those currently trading with Eu countries will still continue to trade in the the same way. So it's a win win situation. Vote leave.
Ps best not posting after your Sunday lunch session. Your spelling and word structure has gone all European union.