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Ethical dilemmas

My neighbours' autistic child is making my flat unlivable - can I do reasonably say/do anything?

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AnerleyAnny · 14/05/2024 15:02

My neighbours in the flat above have a severely autistic child of around 4 years old. They really struggle and, having had an autistic cousin as a child and seen how tough my aunt and uncle found it, I completely sympathise. However, the child's stimming and meltdowns - and the parents' loud, angry responses - are slowly wearing down my physical and mental health: I am sleep-deprived, I've developed a twitch in one eye, I often feel tight-chested and short of breath, and I struggle to focus on my work or even watch TV in the evenings. This child has just as much right to a home as I do, and her behaviour is just her way of coping with the world, so I don't feel any right to be angry at her or to complain to the landlord who owns both of our flats. I don't know if there is realistically anything I can say or do, short of just moving, but that would feel like a huge disappointment (not to mention a stressful upheaval) having only just moved here 6 months ago after a very challenging and expensive flat search. With so few rental properties available, I felt an enormous sense of relief when I secured this place, and I've put in a lot of work to make it a home I can enjoy for several years, but now I am starting to worry about what living here is doing to me.

A bit more detail: most days I am jolted awake by loud screaming some time between 5 and 7am (it seems that the fact of simply being awake causes the child immense distress) and then throughout the rest of the day there are usually a few hours of stimming that takes various forms (banging on the walls or floor, monotonous moaning, or sometimes what you might call animal impersonations like barking, yapping, or growling). Most days this culminates in a meltdown of at least 30 minutes, during which time the child is overwhelmed with distress and will scream, cry, and throw herself around the flat. I've never heard screaming like it, and it sends me into a slight feeling of "fight or flight". My walls and ceiling shake and I tend to struggle to focus on whatever I'm doing, as she's audible over my work calls, TV, music etc even with noise-cancelling headphones on. What makes this worse is that the parents often respond with angry yelling, whether at the child or at each other. (Occasionally, while the father is out at work, the mother will just yell at people on the phone for hours on end - they are just very loud, angry people.) It is clear to me that they are overwhelmed by their child, or they are in denial about the extent of her disability, because I've often heard them trying to "count to 10" to get her to stop screaming. This feels unfair, as if they think she's a neurotypical child just having a tantrum or trying to get her own way, rather than someone whose brain is wired differently and cannot cope with her surroundings. On several occasions during a particularly difficult period, I heard them dragging her around and possibly even hitting her - which I reported to the NSPCC. They promised it would be looked into by Child Services but I'm not sure what's been done, if anything. Things reached their saddest and most distressing point when I recently heard the mother yell at the child "Fine, I'll kill myself and leave you to fend for yourself!" This child may not understand the words, but I'm sure she can in some way sense the feeling behind them; I think this stressful environment directly contributes to her meltdowns.

I wish there were something I could do, but I fear that letting them know just how much I can hear would entrench the shame and intensely private attitude that I believe they already have: they have never opened their curtains in the 6 months I've lived here and they often refuse to open the door to the postman, or even pretend to not be in when he knocks on their door. I worry about the anger-filled environment this child is growing up in, and that any potential conflict I create with the parents will just be taken out on the little girl. Is there anything I can say - to them, to the landlord, to the council - without making this situation even worse? Should I just stop investing emotionally and financially into making this place a home and accept that I need to move? I feel trapped not only by the circumstances but by the feeling of guilt that I am not even entitled to have these complaints in the first place, given the extreme challenges facing this family. I'd be really grateful for any advice, thank you.

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shreddies · 14/05/2024 15:14

What a horrible situation, I am not surprised you are stressed. I used to be involved in support group for families with autistic kids and this came up a few times. I don't remember ever hearing any positive outcomes when neighbours ever said anything. If the child is in school and you know which one, I would let them know your concerns, but other than that I think you may have to resign yourself to moving. I am so sorry, it sounds very distressing for everybody.

GogAndMagog · 14/05/2024 15:15

I'd be calling social services as that family need support. A LOT of support.

Eggmoobean · 14/05/2024 15:15

Can you look to move ? It’s a tough one.

TruthorDie · 14/05/2024 15:19

Contact Social Services and move. I can’t see the noise problem getting any better and you have done well to tolerate it so far. In all honesty l would have lost my temper by now. It sounds like an annoying and intolerable level of noise

Sorehand · 14/05/2024 15:22

I would speak to the landlord, ask about sound proofing. At that point the landlord can decide to soundproof or evict the other tenants to keep you. If the landlord does nothing then they lose you and the issue will happen again.

Ereyraa · 14/05/2024 15:25

I don’t see how you can’t move, tbh. Nothing is going to change.

HumphreyCobblers · 14/05/2024 15:26

I would phone social services again. No one in that house is coping and the poor child's needs are not being met.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 14/05/2024 15:29

I think I'd look to move, even if it is very difficult these days.

DrNo007 · 14/05/2024 15:29

Is their landlord the same as yours? You can certainly ask the landlord to ask them to leave and they would need to find a new place— hopefully with better soundproofing. If the council is their landlord they can move them into another property. I forced a council to do just that — I was in very similar circumstances to you.

Babamamananarama · 14/05/2024 15:30

Report your concerns to social services, and to the child's school if you know it. Log the behaviour you are concerned about. You have a safeguarding responsibility to the child if this is happening in earshot.

The parents may well be overwhelmed themselves but that does not excuse abusive behaviour, which is what you are describing on occasion. They definitely need support.

The issue of whether you move or not is a separate one and you have to make a call on that. Reporting your concerns is not an ethical dilemma, it's your responsibility to the child.

Peakypolly · 14/05/2024 15:33

Speaking as a landlord, I would be grateful to know any issues with noise. Specifics do not need to be explained.
Your situation sounds very difficult, I'm sorry.

cestlavielife · 14/05/2024 15:35

Report what you hearing from the parents to ss
As many times as needed
It might not solve the issue but might protect the child

YoureStuckOnMeLikeATattoohoohoo · 14/05/2024 15:35

They do need support, but getting a social worker involved due to disability is nearly impossible.

Its frustrating for you, and you're not coping, so you can only imagine what they are going through. Your opinion about them trying to cout to 10 is unwarranted as well, different things work for different kids, and they are at the point they will try just about anything (I've been there).

Realistically all you can do is ask the landlord to soundproof, or move.

It sounds like a miserable situation for everyone to be in.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/05/2024 15:35

You should tell the landlord, because they are renting out a property which is not up to reasonable environmental health standards.

Find somewhere else to live, OP. This is not bearable.

OneWorldly4 · 14/05/2024 15:38

Babamamananarama · 14/05/2024 15:30

Report your concerns to social services, and to the child's school if you know it. Log the behaviour you are concerned about. You have a safeguarding responsibility to the child if this is happening in earshot.

The parents may well be overwhelmed themselves but that does not excuse abusive behaviour, which is what you are describing on occasion. They definitely need support.

The issue of whether you move or not is a separate one and you have to make a call on that. Reporting your concerns is not an ethical dilemma, it's your responsibility to the child.

Totally agree.

You heard them hitting the child. There is shouting. Verbal abuse. Curtains always closed.

Please report your concerns to social services asap. They have a duty to investigate.

OpusGiemuJavlo · 14/05/2024 15:39

You definitely need to call social services. Be very clear. No "I think" or "I suspect" - a child is being abused. You know.

This is a kindness. The parents are not coping and need help, even if that help is in the form of the awful grief of a child being removed (which wouldn't happen until many efforts are made to help support the parents to cope better) that is still a kindness when the alternative could be so much worse. NSPCC are a charity that tries to help the children directly but they don't have the power to intervene directly. Social services do.

EnglishBluebell · 14/05/2024 15:44

Sorehand · 14/05/2024 15:22

I would speak to the landlord, ask about sound proofing. At that point the landlord can decide to soundproof or evict the other tenants to keep you. If the landlord does nothing then they lose you and the issue will happen again.

The Landlord CANNOT evict the other family on the grounds of noise by an autistic child! JFC

EnglishBluebell · 14/05/2024 15:45

DrNo007 · 14/05/2024 15:29

Is their landlord the same as yours? You can certainly ask the landlord to ask them to leave and they would need to find a new place— hopefully with better soundproofing. If the council is their landlord they can move them into another property. I forced a council to do just that — I was in very similar circumstances to you.

Again, the Landlord CANNOT do this! Not without breaking the law

WhenWillTheSunShineIWonder · 14/05/2024 15:48

I’d make a call to children’s social care. I’d also probably move. What a difficult situation and you sound so understanding and caring but your home is supposed to be your sanctuary. Is the child of compulsory school age yet - things might change when she goes to school.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 15:50

Please report this to social services, giving as much accurate detail as you can.
Do everything you can to find somewhere else to live.

Gollumm · 14/05/2024 15:51

Sounds like the parents need help and support with their child, they're clearly not able to manage his behaviour and needs effectively. I'd be calling social services and requesting a welfare check.

dragonscannotswim · 14/05/2024 16:19

They have never opened their curtains? Do you mean they never go out? If so, report again. That's a total abnormal situation for the poor dd to be in.

Sorehand · 14/05/2024 16:24

EnglishBluebell · 14/05/2024 15:44

The Landlord CANNOT evict the other family on the grounds of noise by an autistic child! JFC

Can the landlord not do anything about tenants that are disrupting others ?

I have an autistic child so I totally sympathise with the family involved but it’s not fair on neighbours to have to tolerate excessive noise. There are no winners in this situation.

You could try reporting to SS in the hope the family gets support but that’s not a short term solution.

mcdonaldschip · 14/05/2024 16:24

EnglishBluebell · 14/05/2024 15:44

The Landlord CANNOT evict the other family on the grounds of noise by an autistic child! JFC

It depends on what is in the tenancy agreement. Mine has no loud sound between 11pm and 7am (hoovering, musical instruments, parties, singing, loud talking etc.) and that would be grounds for them to evict us.

BruFord · 14/05/2024 16:27

Re. Soundproofing. The landlord could certainly provide some rugs or carpeting with thick pads, but would that be enough? It’s voices that you’re hearing, not clacking heels or running.

It’s shite, but I think you’re going to have to consider moving, OP.