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My neighbours' autistic child is making my flat unlivable - can I do reasonably say/do anything?

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AnerleyAnny · 14/05/2024 15:02

My neighbours in the flat above have a severely autistic child of around 4 years old. They really struggle and, having had an autistic cousin as a child and seen how tough my aunt and uncle found it, I completely sympathise. However, the child's stimming and meltdowns - and the parents' loud, angry responses - are slowly wearing down my physical and mental health: I am sleep-deprived, I've developed a twitch in one eye, I often feel tight-chested and short of breath, and I struggle to focus on my work or even watch TV in the evenings. This child has just as much right to a home as I do, and her behaviour is just her way of coping with the world, so I don't feel any right to be angry at her or to complain to the landlord who owns both of our flats. I don't know if there is realistically anything I can say or do, short of just moving, but that would feel like a huge disappointment (not to mention a stressful upheaval) having only just moved here 6 months ago after a very challenging and expensive flat search. With so few rental properties available, I felt an enormous sense of relief when I secured this place, and I've put in a lot of work to make it a home I can enjoy for several years, but now I am starting to worry about what living here is doing to me.

A bit more detail: most days I am jolted awake by loud screaming some time between 5 and 7am (it seems that the fact of simply being awake causes the child immense distress) and then throughout the rest of the day there are usually a few hours of stimming that takes various forms (banging on the walls or floor, monotonous moaning, or sometimes what you might call animal impersonations like barking, yapping, or growling). Most days this culminates in a meltdown of at least 30 minutes, during which time the child is overwhelmed with distress and will scream, cry, and throw herself around the flat. I've never heard screaming like it, and it sends me into a slight feeling of "fight or flight". My walls and ceiling shake and I tend to struggle to focus on whatever I'm doing, as she's audible over my work calls, TV, music etc even with noise-cancelling headphones on. What makes this worse is that the parents often respond with angry yelling, whether at the child or at each other. (Occasionally, while the father is out at work, the mother will just yell at people on the phone for hours on end - they are just very loud, angry people.) It is clear to me that they are overwhelmed by their child, or they are in denial about the extent of her disability, because I've often heard them trying to "count to 10" to get her to stop screaming. This feels unfair, as if they think she's a neurotypical child just having a tantrum or trying to get her own way, rather than someone whose brain is wired differently and cannot cope with her surroundings. On several occasions during a particularly difficult period, I heard them dragging her around and possibly even hitting her - which I reported to the NSPCC. They promised it would be looked into by Child Services but I'm not sure what's been done, if anything. Things reached their saddest and most distressing point when I recently heard the mother yell at the child "Fine, I'll kill myself and leave you to fend for yourself!" This child may not understand the words, but I'm sure she can in some way sense the feeling behind them; I think this stressful environment directly contributes to her meltdowns.

I wish there were something I could do, but I fear that letting them know just how much I can hear would entrench the shame and intensely private attitude that I believe they already have: they have never opened their curtains in the 6 months I've lived here and they often refuse to open the door to the postman, or even pretend to not be in when he knocks on their door. I worry about the anger-filled environment this child is growing up in, and that any potential conflict I create with the parents will just be taken out on the little girl. Is there anything I can say - to them, to the landlord, to the council - without making this situation even worse? Should I just stop investing emotionally and financially into making this place a home and accept that I need to move? I feel trapped not only by the circumstances but by the feeling of guilt that I am not even entitled to have these complaints in the first place, given the extreme challenges facing this family. I'd be really grateful for any advice, thank you.

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BlueFlowers5 · 17/05/2024 08:50

OP how awful. And them shouting at a child with those challenges? That's abusive. A calm environment being created buy the parents is what the child needs. They are adults and can control themselves.

BurbageBrook · 17/05/2024 08:53

They are abusive, definitely report to SS again. They need more support. And I'd also look to move.

BurbageBrook · 17/05/2024 08:54

But actually if I heard them dragging a child and possibly hitting them I'd also be calling the police, 999z

coralpinkduckegg · 28/05/2024 10:36

Oh blimey this is a case of when it might be better to medicate. I would be doing that if it were my child. It's too much. I say this as a developmental psychologist who assesses and treats autism.

We had this exact same situation in 2019, they moved out before COVID and lockdown but had they stayed during that time I know I would have had a complete mental breakdown. Constant screaming, shouting, banging, etc.

We offered to help with the child but there was a lot of polite refusal and eventually they just moved.

Andipink85 · 14/10/2024 11:13

Hello, I'd be interested to know how you're getting on now? I'm going through a similar situation, but the autistic child, although they can be loud and wake us up is not the biggest problem. The parents are not great people. The father shouts and swears at his kids on a daily basis. Neither work and they will stay up on weekdays playing computer games until the early hours of the morning shouting and banging.

I going down the noise and ASB route to deal with them, and also their landlord. He is now ignoring me though!

People think it's just easy to move when you're renting, but it's not. It's expensive, there are fewer rental properties now, and you're competing against several other people and often won't get the property you've had your eye on. The prices have gone up dramatically, and for me to rent a property the same size as I have now, will cost an extra £200 a month.

I have reported them three times to social services, and I've just contacted them again, after another verbal tirade and banging on our walls from the father.

There seems to be unlimited help for the perpetrators, but the victims are left to just put up with, whilst their mental health slowly disintegrates.

AnerleyAnny · 14/10/2024 14:46

Andipink85 · 14/10/2024 11:13

Hello, I'd be interested to know how you're getting on now? I'm going through a similar situation, but the autistic child, although they can be loud and wake us up is not the biggest problem. The parents are not great people. The father shouts and swears at his kids on a daily basis. Neither work and they will stay up on weekdays playing computer games until the early hours of the morning shouting and banging.

I going down the noise and ASB route to deal with them, and also their landlord. He is now ignoring me though!

People think it's just easy to move when you're renting, but it's not. It's expensive, there are fewer rental properties now, and you're competing against several other people and often won't get the property you've had your eye on. The prices have gone up dramatically, and for me to rent a property the same size as I have now, will cost an extra £200 a month.

I have reported them three times to social services, and I've just contacted them again, after another verbal tirade and banging on our walls from the father.

There seems to be unlimited help for the perpetrators, but the victims are left to just put up with, whilst their mental health slowly disintegrates.

@Andipink85 that sounds really rough and I extend my utmost sympathy. While my neighbours are also pretty abrasive and hard-nosed people (they spend hour upon hour shouting and arguing and, as noted in the initial post, often leave their child in the hallway crying and moaning for long periods, if they're not shouting at her) they do at least keep to relatively normal hours.

Aside from the issue with the child, it sounds like your neighbours are breaking basic tenancy rules by keeping you up late at night with TV/gaming noise. Whether they have a special needs child or not, this is not acceptable. I would make recordings every time they do this for the next few weeks (use your phone's voice note feature) and present that as evidence to both your landlord and the local council's noise abatement team along with a write-up of the dates, times, and duration of the disturbances. Unfortunately, without recorded evidence nobody is likely to take you seriously, but if you can prove it's a continued pattern of behaviour during weeknights rather than a one-off (like a noisy party) they may be forced to act - particularly your/the neighbours' landlords, if it threatens their ability to make rental income from the property.

I totally agree with you re: the "why don't you just move" angle - it's just not that simple, is it?! I am sticking it out as long as I can and have made a few adjustments to improve my quality of life, including investing in some noise-cancelling over-ear headphones for blocking out the tantrums during work/TV watching, and some foam earbuds that I wear at night. Neither solve the issue completely, but at least now I can listen to music or watch TV relatively undisturbed and am less likely to be jolted awake. It's important to do small things to protect your sanity. It is no child's fault that they are neurodivergent and have difficulties, but your wellbeing is important too. (Having said that, I reiterate that the late-night gaming noise is completely unacceptable and grounds for intervention by their/your landlord.)

One small but satisfying victory I've had is that I managed to negotiate the landlord down on a proposed rent rise from 10% to 3% by dotting my response with a few tactically placed legal terms like "environmental health". Some landlords on here will disagree, but for the most part landlords want to make money with as little fuss or involvement as possible, so if you show you are serious about things and keep up the pressure - politely and respectfully, but with a formal tone - they will eventually do something, even if only to avoid having to hear from you again!

Good luck.

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Andipink85 · 15/10/2024 10:47

You have my sympathy too. It's very draining and hard to keep optimistic about life. I'm glad you didn't get a rent increase, that is good news.

I'm just crossing my fingers the landlord doesn't renew their tenancy in December. I've offered to send recordings to the council, but they'll only except their own recordings as evidence. Recording equipment would pick up their all-nighters, but it'll be a bit trickier with the shouting and swearing, as it's short blasts, and when they receive a letter from the council, they quieten down for a couple of weeks.

My husband permanently has headphones on, I where them at bed time when they wake me up, but I don't like having them on all day.

Not having an autistic child myself, I don't know if it's normal to leave them in their room for two to three hours in the morning. The child makes moaning noises and banging, to me they sound bored and frustrated. I'm going to try and send some recordings to Social Services and see what they say.

Andwhatfreshhellisthis · 15/10/2024 10:50

TruthorDie · 14/05/2024 15:19

Contact Social Services and move. I can’t see the noise problem getting any better and you have done well to tolerate it so far. In all honesty l would have lost my temper by now. It sounds like an annoying and intolerable level of noise

I wouldn’t lose my temper but report it daily to ss and environmental health. Get a db reader free as an app on your phone and log the loudness. Before 7am log and phone the council you have the right to a quiet reasonable life

JFDIYOLO · 15/10/2024 12:38

How awful - for absolutely everyone.

Poor child living with this, poor parents probably with zero preparation, training, support to cope with this, poor you being frightened by what you're hearing and worrying about.

I agree - a report to social services is essential.

This child is in danger.

Parents brought to the end of their tether in a frightening situation are quite likely to harm a child, especially when they have so few self regulation resources themselves.

And keep a log of what happens, record the noise on your phone, and keep reporting with the evidence. They have to do something.

Don't try to intervene yourself - this needs professional handling.

ThisPlumPoet · 22/07/2025 17:01

I'm going through the same nightmare, except I made the mistake of purchasing without being aware of this problem. The non-verbal autistic "kid" is actually a 30-year-old, 200-pound adult who doesn't stop stimming. Just like you described — constant jumping, verbal moaning, screaming, and animal-like sounds throughout the day and night.
We barely get any sleep, and the parents do very little to help. I tried to speak to them — I begged, cried, and even complained to the HOA. The parents play the victims and claim "discrimination," while fully knowing how they’re turning our lives into a nightmare. They know we aren’t sleeping. It's like they’re living with us in our own condo.
They do absolutely nothing to minimize the noise at night. Something as simple as giving him a sleeping pill (under medical supervision) or moving him to the living room could help, but they don’t bother. They are selfish.
I’m exhausted — I sleep at work. I can’t sell the condo; it’s unsellable in this condition. I feel stuck. I don’t know what to do.

Andipink85 · 22/07/2025 22:48

That's really awful, and at that age I can only imagine how horrific the volume is. I'm from England so I don't know how it works where you're from, but I have been constantly complaining to social service, the police and their landlord, and there has been some improvement. Although saying that they then started playing darts all night into the morning on the adjoining wall. Now the council have served a community protection notice on them.

I would make a noise complaint if you have that service, and be ambiguous about what the cause is, just say banging and shouting. If you can get recording equipment put in your home, then at least they will hear what your going through, and could link you up with a meditation service.

I really wish there was more support for people like us going through this, but we're just seen as the bad guys for complaining, even though our lives are being ruined.

BruFord · 22/07/2025 23:20

@ThisPlumPoet That’s horrendous. If he has trouble sleeping, I agree that as an adult he could probably take something to help.

JFDIYOLO · 23/07/2025 14:25

Poor parents - dealing with this untrained and unsupported

Poor kid - she'll live with this the rest of her life and is not receiving the specialist care she needs

Poor you - having to cope with the constant assault on your fight or flight responses to the shouting and screaming and conflict and possible child abuse

You need to act.

Tell the landlord this is unbearable. They have a duty to their tenants and if one is making life hard, they should act.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/landlord-and-tenant-rights-and-responsibilities-in-the-private-rented-sector/landlord-and-tenant-rights-and-responsibilities-in-the-private-rented-sector

Tell social services what you've observed and heard. If you've already done it, do it again. Be a nuisance. It may be the situation has brought parents to breaking point - and a child can so often be a casualty.

I wouldn't engage with the family.

My neighbours' autistic child is making my flat unlivable - can I do reasonably say/do anything?
Moongal123 · 19/08/2025 17:34

I think is disgusting that because the neighbours children are autistic the ones who are not have to think about moving or white noise to block it out WE HAVE RIGHTS TO its not fair on people who have lived peacefully then they plonk a family with issues next door consideration goes both ways i sympathise but we have rights to enjpy our homes

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DIYagainstMould · 28/09/2025 19:04

Any updates? I think the parents should have been given support

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