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Ethical dilemmas

My neighbours' autistic child is making my flat unlivable - can I do reasonably say/do anything?

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AnerleyAnny · 14/05/2024 15:02

My neighbours in the flat above have a severely autistic child of around 4 years old. They really struggle and, having had an autistic cousin as a child and seen how tough my aunt and uncle found it, I completely sympathise. However, the child's stimming and meltdowns - and the parents' loud, angry responses - are slowly wearing down my physical and mental health: I am sleep-deprived, I've developed a twitch in one eye, I often feel tight-chested and short of breath, and I struggle to focus on my work or even watch TV in the evenings. This child has just as much right to a home as I do, and her behaviour is just her way of coping with the world, so I don't feel any right to be angry at her or to complain to the landlord who owns both of our flats. I don't know if there is realistically anything I can say or do, short of just moving, but that would feel like a huge disappointment (not to mention a stressful upheaval) having only just moved here 6 months ago after a very challenging and expensive flat search. With so few rental properties available, I felt an enormous sense of relief when I secured this place, and I've put in a lot of work to make it a home I can enjoy for several years, but now I am starting to worry about what living here is doing to me.

A bit more detail: most days I am jolted awake by loud screaming some time between 5 and 7am (it seems that the fact of simply being awake causes the child immense distress) and then throughout the rest of the day there are usually a few hours of stimming that takes various forms (banging on the walls or floor, monotonous moaning, or sometimes what you might call animal impersonations like barking, yapping, or growling). Most days this culminates in a meltdown of at least 30 minutes, during which time the child is overwhelmed with distress and will scream, cry, and throw herself around the flat. I've never heard screaming like it, and it sends me into a slight feeling of "fight or flight". My walls and ceiling shake and I tend to struggle to focus on whatever I'm doing, as she's audible over my work calls, TV, music etc even with noise-cancelling headphones on. What makes this worse is that the parents often respond with angry yelling, whether at the child or at each other. (Occasionally, while the father is out at work, the mother will just yell at people on the phone for hours on end - they are just very loud, angry people.) It is clear to me that they are overwhelmed by their child, or they are in denial about the extent of her disability, because I've often heard them trying to "count to 10" to get her to stop screaming. This feels unfair, as if they think she's a neurotypical child just having a tantrum or trying to get her own way, rather than someone whose brain is wired differently and cannot cope with her surroundings. On several occasions during a particularly difficult period, I heard them dragging her around and possibly even hitting her - which I reported to the NSPCC. They promised it would be looked into by Child Services but I'm not sure what's been done, if anything. Things reached their saddest and most distressing point when I recently heard the mother yell at the child "Fine, I'll kill myself and leave you to fend for yourself!" This child may not understand the words, but I'm sure she can in some way sense the feeling behind them; I think this stressful environment directly contributes to her meltdowns.

I wish there were something I could do, but I fear that letting them know just how much I can hear would entrench the shame and intensely private attitude that I believe they already have: they have never opened their curtains in the 6 months I've lived here and they often refuse to open the door to the postman, or even pretend to not be in when he knocks on their door. I worry about the anger-filled environment this child is growing up in, and that any potential conflict I create with the parents will just be taken out on the little girl. Is there anything I can say - to them, to the landlord, to the council - without making this situation even worse? Should I just stop investing emotionally and financially into making this place a home and accept that I need to move? I feel trapped not only by the circumstances but by the feeling of guilt that I am not even entitled to have these complaints in the first place, given the extreme challenges facing this family. I'd be really grateful for any advice, thank you.

OP posts:
Sunnyday777 · 14/05/2024 16:28

Re the noise, I think it’s either something you put up with or decide to move. Our neighbours had a severely disabled child who would scream and moan into the night. In summer when we had our windows open you could hear him till at least midnight. However, no matter how hard it was for us, I imagine it was 10 times worse for the parents trying to cope with him. I wouldn’t have dreamed of saying anything to them.
However, what you’ve described is abuse. That little girl has a right to feel safe and loved. Bring screamed at and dragged around when you’re already suffering is awful. Please report each incident. Social services need to know so they can help.

Kesio · 14/05/2024 16:29

I’d move. I know it’s difficult and expensive, but the family are struggling so badly that I can’t see the situation improving. I reckon support for their situation is like a bloody unicorn.

AnerleyAnny · 14/05/2024 16:44

Hi everyone, I'm really grateful for all the responses - I didn't expect so many so quickly - and to those of you who have expressed your sympathy.

Hearing some responders express in such stark terms that I need to report the family to social services for child abuse is a bit of a wake-up call. I suppose we all try to make the best of situations and no rented place is ever ideal, but being totally honest with myself, this is hellish and some of the things I've heard (like the suicide threat) have been chilling. I suppose posting here was in some way me seeking permission to admit to myself how serious the situation is. I do happen to know where the child goes to nursery (once or twice a week) so do you think I should talk to the head there first, or just go direct to child services?

Landlords: do you think this is grounds for an early termination of my tenancy? I'm currently 6 months in to a 12 month tenancy and I'm just considering my options - I'm unsure if I can keep this up for another 6 months.

On a practical level I don't think soundproofing is going to work, as the flats already have low ceilings (it's a cheap post-war house that's been converted into two flats) and when I looked round this place there were FIFTY other tenants trying to get it, so I assume if I ask for major works to be completed the landlord will just get someone else in.

Many thanks to everyone for their help.

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Rippledipple · 14/05/2024 16:51

Social services will do absolutely nothing - at most they'll call or visit the family which might be the last straw for the mother. Unfortunately the support that might help is not available.

Doesn't help you though op. Could you do some soundproofing in your flat?

PersonalityofaVacuum · 14/05/2024 17:01

I'm a landlord-you can leave for any reason you wish OP. The only repercussions are potentially, the same landlord may not rent to you again. What a nightmare, for everyone involved. Sounds as if the child needs to be in residential care.

BruFord · 14/05/2024 17:07

I’m not a landlord but perhaps speak to Shelter about terminating your tenancy agreement early due to excessive noise? They may advise you to make a noise complaint to your landlord first though so the LL can attempt to resolve it.

Tbh, it’s likely to get tricky for your neighbors regardless, because every new tenant will hear the same noise as you. Your flat is essentially unrentable atm.

You might want to just quietly start looking for somewhere new as it could take a while.

MercyDulb0ttle · 14/05/2024 17:09

If you hear someone threatening to kill themselves you need to call the police.

shreddies · 14/05/2024 17:15

I'd report to both nursery and social services OP.

All the families I knew with severely autistic children have had social workers, if they are not already on their radar then they should be.

Spelunk · 14/05/2024 17:20

It’s a rented house. Just move out? That’s your only option other than putting up with it.

Badburyrings · 14/05/2024 17:23

Landlords: do you think this is grounds for an early termination of my tenancy? I'm currently 6 months in to a 12 month tenancy and I'm just considering my options - I'm unsure if I can keep this up for another 6 months.

I do not know the answer to this but do you rent directly off the landlord or through an agency? I think the first thing I would do is write to whoever rents it to you and explain to them about the noise as you have done here and see if there is any way you could perhaps cut the tenancy short. I know how hard it is to get a rental property so I am sure the landlord will easily get someone else in no time.

My brother lives below someone very noisy and honestly at times he was so depressed he threatened suicide. I also moved house due to noisy neighbours, I honestly thought I was heading for a nervous breakdown because of it. It is like slow torture, especially if it's screaming.

Sadly, even though you may report to social services etc (which I think you have an obligation to do as it is clear the child is being abused) I can't see the situation resolving itself quickly. I would start discussing with the landlord your options and see if there is a way of moving to somewhere quieter. It sounds extremely stressful OP.

Purplecatshopaholic · 14/05/2024 17:24

If that was me, I would move. In a heartbeat. You need to protect your own mental health op, and this situation is wrecking it. There’s nothing you can realistically do, other than remove yourself and I would do it sooner rather than later.

Caffeineislife · 14/05/2024 17:31

I think you need to make the LL aware re noise. They then have the choice to soundproof (if they evict you then the next tenant will also complain about the noise or leave so it might make sense to soundproof) or not do anything in which case you can possibly see about leaving early. The LL may also look to evict the family above as the cheaper and easier option. The landlords choice is not in your control. If the family are in private rented, through the council then the LL could approach the council and say the property is unsuitable for the family and ask the council to move them. The Council housing situation is dire across the country and people are been housed by the council in properties that do not meet their needs.

You need to be reporting the behavior to SS, it sounds like the family are struggling to cope and need support. Unfortunately support is very limited and only the really squeaky wheels get the grease, a SS referral will help them be a squeaky wheel to access support. I've seen desperate parents having to threaten SS with making their severely disabled child homeless or surrendering them to a children's home before SS will support them in caring for their child.

It is likely the child has a social worker or known to services. However the constant staff turnover in social work may mean they have slipped through the cracks - especially if they are not been a squeaky wheel and the child isn't at compulsory school age.

Saxendi · 14/05/2024 17:37

I would think moving is realistically your only option as ii just must be extremely distressing living there hearing so much from your neighbours.
I'd also suggest contacting the nursery about the child as they may be able to find ways of supporting the family.
Good luck!

mitogoshi · 14/05/2024 17:44

You are being incredibly understanding considering the situation. You have a right to live in your home as much as they do and autism (or other disability) isn't a pass to not show respect for others or trump your rights. Speak to social services, speak to your landlord and speak to them explaining that it's making you ill. I have an autistic dd, it was very difficult at that age but she was in school and i always took my dc out on weekends and in the holidays even though it was challenging. I didn't allow banging, shouting or other anti social activities. Thankfully we were semi detached though. Bribery works I found

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 14/05/2024 17:45

I would record what you can hear so you can use that in a report to SS. I think you should contact SS every time you hear the parents reacting in an abusive way.

I think if you hear them threatening to kill themselves, or hitting the child, or anything in that ballpark then you should call the police on 999 while it's happening.

HalfasleepChrisintheMorning · 14/05/2024 17:54

As a landlord I would probably look to terminate the tenancy of the other family as it sounds as if they will cause noise nuisance to any tenant, so if you left I would have the same problem.
Obviously you don’t give the child as a reason. You issue a section 21 that says you want your property back (2 months so good notice) and you don’t have to give a reason. If asked you can say you are thinking of selling.

Nicole1111 · 14/05/2024 18:23

I think for the sake of the child you should share your concerns with children’s services asap, and for the sake of yourself you should do 24-48 hours of recordings and share them with the landlord asking that you be allowed out of your contract on the basis it is not sustainable for you to live with this level of disruption.

TomeTome · 14/05/2024 18:31

Disabled children are more vulnerable and need more protection because they have few avenues to report abuse. This child is being kept inside and shouted at and emotionally abused and you know about it. Help them by reporting it to people who can do something.

yogagivesmepeace · 14/05/2024 18:32

You have to find a way to move. It can’t be any more difficult than living like this.

Tulipj · 14/05/2024 18:33

Sounds terrible. As a child raised in DV that ruined my life please report again.

YourWildAmberSloth · 14/05/2024 18:34

Are the flats the same size? Would swapping over be an option? The noise and banging might not be as bad if you are above them.

Doseofreality · 14/05/2024 18:35

Contact the Early Help Team at your Local Authority and tell them everything you have wrote here. It might be the push needed to get the parents more support and possibly a more suitable property.

Abelle1 · 14/05/2024 18:36

It's okay to prioritize your own well-being. Maybe try talking to your neighbors first, then consider reaching out to your landlord or council if things don't improve.

YellowCloud · 14/05/2024 18:36

I actually don’t think you needed to post all the possibly identifying details of this family’s business on the internet. Just move house. It’s only a rental - rent somewhere else.

TemuSpecialBuy · 14/05/2024 18:38

does your contract have a break clause?

100% move out

I would talk with the agent.
do not disclose the noise.
id consider just telling the EA you have lost your job have NO savings and need to end the tenancy early. Realistically the landlord can let you out earlier.l and they may rather release you early than the “threat” of no rent and the hassle of evicting a tenant.

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