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My neighbours' autistic child is making my flat unlivable - can I do reasonably say/do anything?

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AnerleyAnny · 14/05/2024 15:02

My neighbours in the flat above have a severely autistic child of around 4 years old. They really struggle and, having had an autistic cousin as a child and seen how tough my aunt and uncle found it, I completely sympathise. However, the child's stimming and meltdowns - and the parents' loud, angry responses - are slowly wearing down my physical and mental health: I am sleep-deprived, I've developed a twitch in one eye, I often feel tight-chested and short of breath, and I struggle to focus on my work or even watch TV in the evenings. This child has just as much right to a home as I do, and her behaviour is just her way of coping with the world, so I don't feel any right to be angry at her or to complain to the landlord who owns both of our flats. I don't know if there is realistically anything I can say or do, short of just moving, but that would feel like a huge disappointment (not to mention a stressful upheaval) having only just moved here 6 months ago after a very challenging and expensive flat search. With so few rental properties available, I felt an enormous sense of relief when I secured this place, and I've put in a lot of work to make it a home I can enjoy for several years, but now I am starting to worry about what living here is doing to me.

A bit more detail: most days I am jolted awake by loud screaming some time between 5 and 7am (it seems that the fact of simply being awake causes the child immense distress) and then throughout the rest of the day there are usually a few hours of stimming that takes various forms (banging on the walls or floor, monotonous moaning, or sometimes what you might call animal impersonations like barking, yapping, or growling). Most days this culminates in a meltdown of at least 30 minutes, during which time the child is overwhelmed with distress and will scream, cry, and throw herself around the flat. I've never heard screaming like it, and it sends me into a slight feeling of "fight or flight". My walls and ceiling shake and I tend to struggle to focus on whatever I'm doing, as she's audible over my work calls, TV, music etc even with noise-cancelling headphones on. What makes this worse is that the parents often respond with angry yelling, whether at the child or at each other. (Occasionally, while the father is out at work, the mother will just yell at people on the phone for hours on end - they are just very loud, angry people.) It is clear to me that they are overwhelmed by their child, or they are in denial about the extent of her disability, because I've often heard them trying to "count to 10" to get her to stop screaming. This feels unfair, as if they think she's a neurotypical child just having a tantrum or trying to get her own way, rather than someone whose brain is wired differently and cannot cope with her surroundings. On several occasions during a particularly difficult period, I heard them dragging her around and possibly even hitting her - which I reported to the NSPCC. They promised it would be looked into by Child Services but I'm not sure what's been done, if anything. Things reached their saddest and most distressing point when I recently heard the mother yell at the child "Fine, I'll kill myself and leave you to fend for yourself!" This child may not understand the words, but I'm sure she can in some way sense the feeling behind them; I think this stressful environment directly contributes to her meltdowns.

I wish there were something I could do, but I fear that letting them know just how much I can hear would entrench the shame and intensely private attitude that I believe they already have: they have never opened their curtains in the 6 months I've lived here and they often refuse to open the door to the postman, or even pretend to not be in when he knocks on their door. I worry about the anger-filled environment this child is growing up in, and that any potential conflict I create with the parents will just be taken out on the little girl. Is there anything I can say - to them, to the landlord, to the council - without making this situation even worse? Should I just stop investing emotionally and financially into making this place a home and accept that I need to move? I feel trapped not only by the circumstances but by the feeling of guilt that I am not even entitled to have these complaints in the first place, given the extreme challenges facing this family. I'd be really grateful for any advice, thank you.

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Tulipj · 14/05/2024 18:40

@YellowCloud only a rental. It’s still op’s home at present.

Madeyemoodysswiveleyedrant · 14/05/2024 18:41

YellowCloud · 14/05/2024 18:36

I actually don’t think you needed to post all the possibly identifying details of this family’s business on the internet. Just move house. It’s only a rental - rent somewhere else.

There are no identifying details posted. This could be anywhere. No-one else has heard these things happening, so there is no way they could be identified.

Madeyemoodysswiveleyedrant · 14/05/2024 18:44

All you can do is report to SS so the family gets the help they need and move. It's not going to get better and soundproofing in the situation you describe is unlikely to cut out all noise (and will take time and be disruptive). I would tell the LL too, I think they do need to know before renting to anyone else so they have the opportunity to try and soundproof to a high standard or the situation will repeat itself.

HcbSS · 14/05/2024 18:56

Another vote for SS

RPH2023 · 14/05/2024 18:57

@AnerleyAnny

Can you contact 101 and request a welfare check because of immediate concerns for the child?
Explain what you can hear, how it is impacting your life and what you have already done in the past in relation to reporting possible abuse. The more logs and reports for the child the better.

costahotchocolatesaremyweakness · 14/05/2024 18:58

You are being very understanding re. the situation, and thanks for caring about the child despite being so exhausted. I would look up the renters right to quiet enjoyment of property in your area. You may be able to break your lease based on that without penalty. Maybe take some audio examples for your records in case. Between that, and reporting the issue to your landlord and SS, you are doing all you can. It sounds like a miserable situation for all, the parents need better support, and you need peace/rest. Good luck OP.

dontbelievewhatyousee · 14/05/2024 19:10

Much like a newborn, no one wants their children to make so much noise and disturb others. Sometimes though that’s the hand you are dealt.

I could have been the family you speak of, thankfully after about age 5 it eased up a bit. Going to school gave everyone some respite as well.

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 19:14

Oh my word. That poor little girl, well done for reporting to NSPCC. I also feel for you - it sounds unbearable. Is their flat rented or owned? Unless it’s rented and there’s any reason to believe they’ll move on soon, I’m sorry to say I think you need to (slowly) gear up to sell, while finding other premises to work from during the day to preserve your sanity - can you rent a room at the local library or some office space?

AloeVerity · 14/05/2024 19:19

I’d be contacting the police. There’s a child being abused.

dontbelievewhatyousee · 14/05/2024 19:22

Except the shouting of course but it sounds like the parents are very stressed.

mynamechangemyrules · 14/05/2024 19:32

Hi, our Early Help provision from the County Council is very good where I live and admirably fast all things considered- could it be worth looking that up? They offer practical support before things get too bad, in theory. Sorry to not post a link, I've got mine and other CC links but you'd need to search for your own area.

But also, I'd move. Saying that as someone who's fought in the horrific rental market in my area! But it just sounds so stressful to be near 😫

BruFord · 14/05/2024 19:47

Tbh, @Madeyemoodysswiveleyedrant , I’m not sure that the LL could soundproof the flats against what the OP describes, unless he soundproofed similar to a music venue or nightclub. Walls and ceilings shaking due to banging on them, loud screaming between 5 and 7 am- those aren’t typical residential sounds. Unless a neighbor was doing DIY which has to be restricted to certain hours.

DorisDoesDoncaster · 14/05/2024 19:47

Abandon ship.

Pineapples1234 · 14/05/2024 20:06

Regardless of whether you decide to move, I'd call 999 next time and every time you hear the parents. Not because of the child. There's probably nothing to be done about the noise that isn't already being done. But because of the parents, who appears to be losing the plot and abusing their child. The police involvement will trigger referrals to social services, who will have police information as backup. This will strengthen the case for the child going into specialised residential care, where she can be looked after properly by trained staff who can manage her environment/health better than her parents can. Social services won't want to pay for this if they can dump caring duties on the parents. Repeated police involvement will make social services take notice.

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 14/05/2024 20:13

How very sad. The parents are clearly having a very tough time but shouting at their daughter isnt going to help at all - a calmer, quieter response is almost always more helpful (certainly was/is with my autistic ds).
I think realistically op you may have to move.........unless there is a chance your neighbours have an opportunity to.

BubblegumBlue24 · 14/05/2024 21:12

I really feel for you because I was in a similar situation for 5 years. Mortgaged house not renting but family next door had a child who was like this, and got worse as they got older had to listen to the screams, tantrums, smashing stuff, hitting their parents and sibling it was awful and vile to listen to. I especially dreaded every year from April to October because he was outside ALL THE TIME and you could hear him with all the windows and doors shut through double glazing so couldn’t even relax inside the house. You could even hear him when he was shut inside he was that loud. The noise and disturbance and being woke up at all hours was unbearable.
I don’t doubt his parents struggled but it didn’t make it easier on anyone else and they used to shut him outside at times. They moved a couple of years ago and there is a new family now with two children, can’t even hear them they are so quiet and I cannot tell you the difference this has made to our lives actually being able to enjoy our house inside and outside.

I guess I’m not giving specific advice but just a bit of solidarity and it doesn’t seem like things will get better so I’d look at moving if you can.

Serialcatmum · 14/05/2024 21:18

I’m sorry I don’t have any advice, I think I’d have to move home. Nothing worth than that shocking fight or flight feeling waking you up. It’s terrible for the cortisone levels too.

Just here to tell you that you seem like a genuinely good person. You’re really understanding and kind hearted.

PalomaJaneintheDales · 14/05/2024 21:48

This is an impossible living situation for anyone. Unbearable. I would leave and yes, report to SS.

WimseyofBalliol · 14/05/2024 22:08

The OP has already reported to Childline, who said they would refer to Children’s Services.

Beautiful3 · 14/05/2024 22:13

If you're renting I'd move. If it's yours, I'd get it sound proofed.

Barleysugar86 · 14/05/2024 22:17

I'd ask the landlord for sound proofing. A relative had similar noise problems and they used insulation inside the floor between the two flats and this helped enormously.

MattDamon · 14/05/2024 22:21

As someone who has been in this exact situation: cut your loses and move as soon as possible. Count yourself lucky you're only renting.

ControlShiftDelete · 14/05/2024 22:25

Unfortunately the situation isn't going to change or get better, so as most posters have mentioned it's best that you move. I really feel for you but also the parents in this situation as they must be exhausted but shouting doesn't help.

caringcarer · 14/05/2024 22:26

TomeTome · 14/05/2024 18:31

Disabled children are more vulnerable and need more protection because they have few avenues to report abuse. This child is being kept inside and shouted at and emotionally abused and you know about it. Help them by reporting it to people who can do something.

This. I'd record the noise. Then I'd call SS and ask them to come to hear the recording. Let them try to help the family who sound at the end of their tether. The child might need residential care. If this child is 4 will they start school soon?

ControlShiftDelete · 14/05/2024 22:29

ControlShiftDelete · 14/05/2024 22:25

Unfortunately the situation isn't going to change or get better, so as most posters have mentioned it's best that you move. I really feel for you but also the parents in this situation as they must be exhausted but shouting doesn't help.

I've the rest of your post and what the poor kid is going through sounds chilling. Please call SS.

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