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Elderly parents

The family home

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Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 09:34

Posting under Elderly relatives as I think this is specific to my mum being older and hoping that there may be someone here who can offer some advice or at least some solidarity. Sorry...its long.

DM is mid 70s, fit and well but obviously slowing up. Widowed for the best part of 30 years, she still lives in the family home which DF built and died in. It’s a 4 bed detached house with an acre garden. I’m one of 3 siblings. I’ve always said I wanted the house when the time comes for DM to downsize and both siblings have been fine with that.
I moved away from home for uni but once DH and I had a family we actively started looking for a property back where I’m from. This was 2015. We were very clear with DM that we wanted her home and she has acknowledged this. Over the last 7 years DM has intermittently muttered about downsizing, but done nothing more than mutter.
We had a purchase local to DM fall through in 2015, and then finally moved with a purchase in process in July 2019. We were temporarily living with DM, again having been very clear that we really wanted her house. That purchase fell through, so we’d moved, were living with DM and had no house. We found a house that ticked enough boxes, but neither of us loved, but it was well under budget and we thought we’d either grow to love or hate it, and at least we weren’t paying rent or living with DM (we were there for 4 months). We grew to hate the house we bought. DM knew this. In Nov 2021, a suitable 'downsize' house very close to DM came on the market (she wants to stay in the same village, wants detached, wants a largish flat garden and wants 3 bedrooms....so not really downsizing at all). She offered us her house (at full market value) and put in an offer on the house she had viewed. We scrabbled about to find a mortgage and a bridging loan that would allow us to buy her house and enable her to be a credible bidder. In the end DM decided she didn’t like the house enough and withdrew her offer. In Feb 2022 we became aware of a private sale of a house that we liked and had an offer accepted on it. Bear in mind that this is peak covid housing boom time and most family homes around us were having at least 30 viewings and going to a bidding war; we were incredibly lucky to have this opportunity. At the time DM asked if we still wanted her house and I said we did, but she didn’t appear to want to actually move and we really liked the house we were buying. I told her that ultimately we wanted her house, and that if she told us 4 months after we moved into the new house that she was selling I would be very pissed off and not in a position to buy it. Nothing else was said. We moved in July 2022 and haven’t finished unpacking. We have appointed an architect. Yesterday DM asked me if rather than pursue renovations on our new house, would we rather buy hers and renovate it as she now wants to move.

There are not words to describe my anger and upset.

I asked DM if she had any idea how much stress and money was involved in moving house and she said “well you made lots of money on the other house, so that isn’t a problem”. She has totally failed to appreciate that the house we bought will also have increased in value and has zero concept of the stress having not moved in over 40 years.

On top of this I know that had I said to DM back in February that yes we would pull out of the purchase and buy her house we’d still be sitting in the house we didn’t like and she wouldn’t have moved forward at all.

In the interests of not drip feeding this comes on a background of DM telling me a year ago that she wasn’t including me or my DC in her will because we “don’t need anything”. All her assets are being left to my 2 siblings both of whom have 6 figure household incomes and one of whom is childless and a borderline alcoholic. That’s a whole other thread that I’m not going to get into. I’ve parked it because its her money and she is entitled to do what she likes with it….but I can’t pretend it doesn’t hurt. With regard to her Will I pushed quite hard a few years back for her to sort it. She refused and eventually told me it was “like you want me dead”. I’ve not mentioned it since. On the same vein, I was very clear when she did put the offer on the house that I didn’t want her moving if she thought she might be miserable in it. I didn’t want her or anyone else to think that I’d in effect kicked her out of her own home. The family home is hers. She’s also entitled to do what she likes with it but I don’t know where to go from here. DM seems to think we can just put our new house back on the market and move. Aside from not having the headspace to move again, financially we can’t. I am utterly devastated and heart broken. It will kill me to drive past her house with another family living in it knowing that we could have bought it had she made the offer 3 months previously. Furthermore I think this is the final straw to our already fragile relationship. The Will was bad, this is just about to finish what was left of us off. I’m even more sad about that. All through my 20s and most of my 30s she was my best friend and my rock. Over the last 4 years she has been increasingly unhelpful and difficult and our friendship has just imploded. She accused me today of never making time for her. Over the last 3 months I’ve organised 3 different days out with her. She makes no effort at all.
I am just sitting crying.

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Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 15:21

@orangeisthenewpuce

Ah you didn't say that it was the norm in your family

I don't really think its relevant. I've said for years I'd like the house. I can see the MN title now "i want family home but didn't tell anyone and now there is a huge family fight because siblings also want it" and everyone would pile on with "you should have made your wishes known years ago"

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Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 15:27

@WallaceinAnderland yes they will.

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Butwhybecause · 07/11/2022 15:30

With regard to her Will I pushed quite hard a few years back for her to sort it. She refused and eventually told me it was “like you want me dead”.

😲 I'd think twice about including you in my will if you pushed me about making a will and trying to push me out of my house too.

Hope your Mum has many happy, healthy, enjoyable years ahead of her.

UnderHisPie · 07/11/2022 15:32

Let the house go. In reading your posts, it's almost become this symbol of how undervalued you feel in your relationship with your Mum. In many ways it sounds like wills and property have been the things to really chip into your relationship with her. Don't let them have that power over you - even if she sounds like she's trying to use them that way.

An old home that has come to cause such harm is no place for your new family to live in happiness and love and light - regardless of how nice the bricks might be. Let another family have it, let them rehabilitiate it and love it. After all, for most of us that's what happens. I occassionally drive by a house I grew up in and see the changes that time and other owners have made to it since then. It both exists in my mind as it was and in the real world as it is.

Renovate your new house. Focus on making that your real home. The one you fill to the brim with laughter and joy. The one your children want to return to because it is THEIR family home.

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 15:38

@Butwhybecause

Parents who don't leave Wills just leave huge headaches for their children and are hugely selfish. Everyone should have a will if they care even a tiny bit about those they are leaving behind. I'm going to assume you are 70 and don't have one.

As for pushing her out of her house.....I've done nothing of the sort. I talked her OUT of buying the only house she has looked at because I could see she was really unhappy at the thought of living there. I'm very happy for her if that's where she wants to live for the rest of her life - and it would be a sensible choice - she is in a great community with some lovely friends. What I'm very upset about is the constant carrot dangling "I should downsize" doing nothing about it. If she doesn't want to move that's fine, she just needs to say that. But she doesn't she just keeps dangling the "i might" carrot.

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Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 15:40

@UnderHisPie thank you for your lovely kind and encouraging words. You've made me cry. I think that is probably where I should aim to be, it might just take me a while to get there.

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fedstool · 07/11/2022 15:52

I think you are being a bit ridiculous, she's clearly incredibly decisive.

My mil mooted is buying her house & we considered for a bit but she's been downsizing for years, it won't happen.

Also why should a sibling not get any inheritance because they are childless & an alcoholic? I assume you are wealthier?

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 16:02

@fedstool
I wouldn't leave inheritance to someone if I thought it was going to be pissed up a wall (gambled/smoked/injected)- I'd bypass them and leave it to their children.

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fedstool · 07/11/2022 16:06

She has known forever that I wanted the family home. There have been so many opportunities for us to buy in the last 4 years and she hasn't offered.

She clearly doesn't want too though

fedstool · 07/11/2022 16:07

I agreed and, given our recent purchase, had accepted that. I did not expect this.

She probably wants to in theory but i bet if you were in the position again she wouldn't change her mind.

fedstool · 07/11/2022 16:07

My mum needs to downsize, she talks about it all the time. It won't happen though...

fedstool · 07/11/2022 16:09

I do think the will is iffy unless you are multi millionaires I suppose.

JaninaDuszejko · 07/11/2022 16:11

Also why should a sibling not get any inheritance because they are childless & an alcoholic?

While this is true considering the OP is getting nothing I can see why that would rankle.

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 16:13

@fedstool. I think she thinks she wants to, but deep down probably doesn't. As I've said previously, if we'd pulled out of our purchase I'm 100% sure that we'd still be sitting in the house we don't like and she wouldn't have viewed a single other house. What she hasn't done is found a house and said to us "I've found my perfect house, do you want to make an offer on this one?", although we almost got there a year ago. I guess I could say "when you get a buyer we'll match your highest offer".....and sit back and wait and wait and wait. Or maybe she isn't taunting this time.

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fedstool · 07/11/2022 16:14

I wouldn't leave inheritance to someone if I thought it was going to be pissed up a wall (gambled/smoked/injected)- I'd bypass them and leave it to their children

but they don't have any? I wouldn't leave out any of my dc, someone who abuses alcohol isn't necessarily less worthy

Ponderingwindow · 07/11/2022 16:21

Well yes, she might not decide to downsize for another 5, 10, or 20 years, despite being serious in her contemplation of leaving.
If you want the house, you just have to sit and wait and wait and wait until she is ready. That is how it works. Many parents take years and years to decide to finally leave their homes. Your mother isn’t doing anything different than any other older person has done.

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 16:22

@fedstool are you being deliberately obtuse? You've just said "I wouldn't leave out any of my dc".

I've been left out.

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ehb102 · 07/11/2022 16:26

You know she isn't going to sell it to you. She just likes to make you hop on command.

Stay away and let her put the house on the market. If you still want it then, make an offer through a proxy. My money is on her not selling but instead dying in that house.

fedstool · 07/11/2022 16:31

@Wetnovember no I wouldn't leave out any of my dc unless maybe one was a multi millionaire. I wouldn't leave out for being ill or childless

whowhatwerewhy · 07/11/2022 16:31

Just make your house your home . Your DM may never downsize. You seem to be desperate to buy and your DM seems to use the house as a hold over you .
Continue with the plans for your home , if DM says about down sizing simply tell her you will see if your in a position to buy when the time comes follow by we plan to do this and that to our home .

Suzi888 · 07/11/2022 16:39

Agree with pp, she probably does want to downsize but perhaps isn’t ready to let go either. She certainly seems to want you to work for it though, doesn’t she. If I read correctly she still hasn’t found her dream home, I think it’s likely she would let you down again, make you jump through hoops and then say, “I’ve changed my mind”. Perhaps you have got her back up by saying you want the house and being so insistent etc (it’s almost like wishing her dead, I know you don’t but that’s how it comes across).

I would really try to find the love for the home you have bought personally and let this one go. If a buyer put in a higher offer than you, she sounds like she would keep going back and forth and they may end up outbidding you.

Do you think she wants you to have the house? Is there any possibility she doesn’t want you to have it? See changes happening to it?

parietal · 07/11/2022 18:39

Enjoy the house you have now. The one you chose and worked to buy. That is yours and is your future.

Detach a bit from your mum. She may or may not downsize but you have to step back an not let it bother you. Otherwise you'll both resent each other for ever.

A580Hojas · 07/11/2022 19:40

I think the Mum does want to downsize but has a very small number of options because she is so specific about where she wants to move to. She has offered OP the chance to buy her house now (extremely inconvenient timing to say the bloody least) but has she actually found anywhere else to move to? I think not.

It's a long OP and some posters on the thread may not have read it all and may not have the full picture.

Anyway, this is why I advise OP to put her heart and soul into the house she has just bought and back away from this almost impossible family situation. She doesn't owe her mother any particular consideration or accommodation just because she's suddenly announced the family home is available for her to buy. This is the mother who is leaving her out of her will (wtf?)!

Diyverymuchanewbie · 07/11/2022 19:49

You need to move on from the house OP - I agree with someone upthread who said it’s some sort of symbol of issues with your mother.

you have all sorts of issues with your relationship with your mother. Living in your family home is very much not going to help you move on and resolve these issues - especially given the will issue.
even if you pay full lakejet value there will always be some sorts of under currents about it.

cut the cord and move on.

Shiningstarr · 07/11/2022 22:21

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 16:02

@fedstool
I wouldn't leave inheritance to someone if I thought it was going to be pissed up a wall (gambled/smoked/injected)- I'd bypass them and leave it to their children.

But there's never any guarantee the children won't do it either.

Also another comment on how stupidly long that opening post was. Just so unnecessary, I thought it was War and Peace for a minute.

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