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Elderly parents

The family home

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Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 09:34

Posting under Elderly relatives as I think this is specific to my mum being older and hoping that there may be someone here who can offer some advice or at least some solidarity. Sorry...its long.

DM is mid 70s, fit and well but obviously slowing up. Widowed for the best part of 30 years, she still lives in the family home which DF built and died in. It’s a 4 bed detached house with an acre garden. I’m one of 3 siblings. I’ve always said I wanted the house when the time comes for DM to downsize and both siblings have been fine with that.
I moved away from home for uni but once DH and I had a family we actively started looking for a property back where I’m from. This was 2015. We were very clear with DM that we wanted her home and she has acknowledged this. Over the last 7 years DM has intermittently muttered about downsizing, but done nothing more than mutter.
We had a purchase local to DM fall through in 2015, and then finally moved with a purchase in process in July 2019. We were temporarily living with DM, again having been very clear that we really wanted her house. That purchase fell through, so we’d moved, were living with DM and had no house. We found a house that ticked enough boxes, but neither of us loved, but it was well under budget and we thought we’d either grow to love or hate it, and at least we weren’t paying rent or living with DM (we were there for 4 months). We grew to hate the house we bought. DM knew this. In Nov 2021, a suitable 'downsize' house very close to DM came on the market (she wants to stay in the same village, wants detached, wants a largish flat garden and wants 3 bedrooms....so not really downsizing at all). She offered us her house (at full market value) and put in an offer on the house she had viewed. We scrabbled about to find a mortgage and a bridging loan that would allow us to buy her house and enable her to be a credible bidder. In the end DM decided she didn’t like the house enough and withdrew her offer. In Feb 2022 we became aware of a private sale of a house that we liked and had an offer accepted on it. Bear in mind that this is peak covid housing boom time and most family homes around us were having at least 30 viewings and going to a bidding war; we were incredibly lucky to have this opportunity. At the time DM asked if we still wanted her house and I said we did, but she didn’t appear to want to actually move and we really liked the house we were buying. I told her that ultimately we wanted her house, and that if she told us 4 months after we moved into the new house that she was selling I would be very pissed off and not in a position to buy it. Nothing else was said. We moved in July 2022 and haven’t finished unpacking. We have appointed an architect. Yesterday DM asked me if rather than pursue renovations on our new house, would we rather buy hers and renovate it as she now wants to move.

There are not words to describe my anger and upset.

I asked DM if she had any idea how much stress and money was involved in moving house and she said “well you made lots of money on the other house, so that isn’t a problem”. She has totally failed to appreciate that the house we bought will also have increased in value and has zero concept of the stress having not moved in over 40 years.

On top of this I know that had I said to DM back in February that yes we would pull out of the purchase and buy her house we’d still be sitting in the house we didn’t like and she wouldn’t have moved forward at all.

In the interests of not drip feeding this comes on a background of DM telling me a year ago that she wasn’t including me or my DC in her will because we “don’t need anything”. All her assets are being left to my 2 siblings both of whom have 6 figure household incomes and one of whom is childless and a borderline alcoholic. That’s a whole other thread that I’m not going to get into. I’ve parked it because its her money and she is entitled to do what she likes with it….but I can’t pretend it doesn’t hurt. With regard to her Will I pushed quite hard a few years back for her to sort it. She refused and eventually told me it was “like you want me dead”. I’ve not mentioned it since. On the same vein, I was very clear when she did put the offer on the house that I didn’t want her moving if she thought she might be miserable in it. I didn’t want her or anyone else to think that I’d in effect kicked her out of her own home. The family home is hers. She’s also entitled to do what she likes with it but I don’t know where to go from here. DM seems to think we can just put our new house back on the market and move. Aside from not having the headspace to move again, financially we can’t. I am utterly devastated and heart broken. It will kill me to drive past her house with another family living in it knowing that we could have bought it had she made the offer 3 months previously. Furthermore I think this is the final straw to our already fragile relationship. The Will was bad, this is just about to finish what was left of us off. I’m even more sad about that. All through my 20s and most of my 30s she was my best friend and my rock. Over the last 4 years she has been increasingly unhelpful and difficult and our friendship has just imploded. She accused me today of never making time for her. Over the last 3 months I’ve organised 3 different days out with her. She makes no effort at all.
I am just sitting crying.

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picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2022 13:06

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 12:52

'What greed?She was buying the house at market value even though she isn't in the will'

The insistence that she had to have the house. It's got nothing to do with the OP what her mum does with anything that belongs to her.

You may be underestimating the pull of a house your dad has built. My dads blood and sweat were in their house. I was so sad to let it go, and under other circumstances would have loved to move there. My sibs weren't interested in it.

That said, I wouldn't have actually done it because I'd never have got my mum and her belongings out. She'd have seen no need if I were to move in, and she'd have fought every change I'd have made!

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 13:08

Those arguing with me and calling me stupid still fail to see that any money or property that belongs to a parent is theirs and children don't have an automatic right to it if the parent doesn't want them to have it

KateBalesCardi · 07/11/2022 13:08

My DM can be (by her own admission) extremely stubborn, if someone tries to 'make' her do something she will dig her heels in and do the exact opposite. I can't help but wonder if something similar has happened here, you've made it so clear that you want her house that she's become determined not to let you have it?

If I'm completely honest I'm more like my DM than I'd like to admit and I think your insistence that you wanted the house might have pushed me the same way in your DM's shoes. It could just be the way your post is worded but there seem to have been an awful lot of conversations about your DM's will and the house and it does all come across as being a bit mercenary, despite you buying the house at market value.

I think I would feel you just wanted me out of the way so you could have what was mine and that would make me dig my heels in and not let you have it. Sorry OP but I think you've come across to her as being quite selfish and insensitive.

geraniumsandsunshine · 07/11/2022 13:08

I would be so irritated I wouldn't want to live anywhere near or visit the house it would trigger me too much

rookiemere · 07/11/2022 13:11

Actually on rereading this, even the title "The Family Home" implies that it's something other than what it actually is -DMs home.

Look your DM hasn't been fair or pleasant about wills, but if I were you I think you just need to forget once and for all about buying your DMs home - tell her so - and go back to having a Mother /Daughter relationship if you can.

Bramblejoos · 07/11/2022 13:11

I think you're wrong to put soo much on owning a particular house. Especially if it has any relation to ageing parent, wills, you getting it and other siblings not.

Honestly, wills and inheritance brings out the worst in EVERYBODY involved.
Everyone thinks someone else is doing better out of it than them, the parent especially as they get on a bit can be touchy - I mean it is all about them getting too old to manage and then dying they are hardly going to be cheering you on in that scenario.

Just concentrate on your now house and move on.

CaronPoivre · 07/11/2022 13:14

It's her home. She can do what she wants. It feels like you eant to push her out whilst appearing not to. Quite vulture like.

Stay in your house. Don't mention motor apply pressure for her to do so. Let her live her life and decid for herself when and if she moves. There are lots of houses I'd like, but I can't have them.

picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2022 13:22

It's Dad's house/home, too! And it used to be OPs.

That said, OP, look into why you want it so badly. Is it genuinely because it's a great house in a great place, or are your reasons sentimental? Sentiment is fine, and powerful, but you may be trying to subconsciously make up for feeling second best to your siblings, keep something of your dad, make up for the childhood you wanted but didn't have.

Might be worth exploring before you go emotionally all in on a house you can't have.

rookiemere · 07/11/2022 13:28

"It's Dad's house/home, too! And it used to be OPs. "

OP never owned the home. Her "family home" is the one she lives in with her family.

Rereading it, it seems to me all the issues have arisen from OPs belief that the house is somehow a shared entity. I know she has good reasons for wanting it - her DF built it - but either directly or indirectly wanting to keep the house in the family has resulted in a lot of ill feelings and resentment on all sides due to OPs over involvement in trying to dictate her DMs living conditions.

Neoma22 · 07/11/2022 13:30

I'm really, really sorry you're going through this and have to agree with those who say there isn't much you can do about it. A similar thing happened to my DH, he was ready, willing and able to buy his Grandfather's house when he died (was a widower and lived there for decades). He had really lovely memories of spending time there with his Grandfather when he was a boy. His father and his 2 Uncles inherited it but both his Uncles (and their spouses) refused point blank to sell it to him. It was sold for a song because they were so eager to get the cash instead. I think it's one of my DH's saddest family memories.

rookiemere · 07/11/2022 13:32

My DPs are in their 80s and live in a 4 bed detached house. They would likely benefit from downsizing.

I mention it briefly on occasion, but no more than that, because they are adults and get to decide for themselves where they live until the point at which they are too elderly or frail to live on their own safely.

It's simply not my decision to make.

A580Hojas · 07/11/2022 13:32

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 13:08

Those arguing with me and calling me stupid still fail to see that any money or property that belongs to a parent is theirs and children don't have an automatic right to it if the parent doesn't want them to have it

No, no one fails to see that. We all know that children have no automatic right to an inheritance! How can you be so dense.

picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2022 13:38

But Rookie, OP hasn't tried to make that decision for her mum.

Princessglittery · 07/11/2022 13:48

@Wetnovember your Mum has no intention of downsizing. Every potential home she views will not be right because it isn’t the home her DH built.

I tried for a decade to get my parents to downsize, in the end when one was terminally ill they moved in a rush and to be honest didn’t think it through.

Your Mum will often talk of downsizing in that she is ruminating about it and testing it out as an option. So honestly just wait until it has to be sold e.g. needs nursing care or sadly dies, and hopefully you will be in a position to buy.

As for the will, it hurts but you are the better person not taking it out on your Mum.

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 13:49

@A580Hojas No, no one fails to see that. We all know that children have no automatic right to an inheritance! How can you be so dense.

Dense now? Nice. The OP has stated that she has had numerous conversations with her mother telling her she wants the house. She also says she pushed her mother into sorting out her will. That indicates to me that the OP thinks she has a right to tell her mother what to do with her house and her money.

SallyWD · 07/11/2022 13:55

Very frustrating and the business about the will is absolutely awful. However, I can see from her perspective that you were hovering about for years, putting pressure on her to downsize so you could get her house. I'd find that quite a difficult situation myself. My parents have been saying they'll downsize for years but haven't yet. We'll let them do it when they're ready, rather than when it suits us. There are so many great houses out there. I think you should forget about the family home and just focus on creating a lovely home elsewhere.

Ponderingwindow · 07/11/2022 14:05

If your priority was really buying the family home, you wouldn’t have put yourself in a position where you couldn’t buy it. She could have been hit by a bus the day you closed on your current house. Was your old house really so bad that you had no choice but to move?

not treating all the children equally in a will is going to be hurtful (barring a situation where one child needs lifelong care for special needs). Distancing to protect yourself emotionally might be wise.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 07/11/2022 14:14

You sound very entitled about the 'Family home', it belongs to your mum and you have been pressuring her for years to downsize so you can have it. She may well have resented it - hence the will.

rookiemere · 07/11/2022 14:21

picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2022 13:38

But Rookie, OP hasn't tried to make that decision for her mum.

No but she's been pretty heavily hinting for at least 7 years when DM was only in her late 60s.

SweetChild0mine · 07/11/2022 14:24

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 13:49

@A580Hojas No, no one fails to see that. We all know that children have no automatic right to an inheritance! How can you be so dense.

Dense now? Nice. The OP has stated that she has had numerous conversations with her mother telling her she wants the house. She also says she pushed her mother into sorting out her will. That indicates to me that the OP thinks she has a right to tell her mother what to do with her house and her money.

You are making lots of assumptions.

Back to the greed part, she is paying full price and getting nothing from the estate. That's not greed.

I think you are suggesting entitlement?

Adultchildofelderlyparents · 07/11/2022 14:50

You've probably caused her a lot of stress over the years by constantly telling her that you want her house! That's her home!

Why are you so set on having the house? Is it a link to your deceased father? Did you have an idyllic childhood that you want to relive with your own kids? A house is just bricks and mortar. Memories are carried with you. What is it you are so set on with this one house? I wonder if it's built up into an obsession, to the point where you can't even consider that other houses might be perfect for you.

What do your DH and kids think about the idea of moving again?

Focus your attention on the house you are in. Enjoy making it a family home with your DH and kids.

It sounds like your mum is not ready or committed to selling.

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 15:13

@silverclock222 You sound very grabby.

How? I'm not getting anything in the will and paying full market value for a house. You'll have to explain how you think I'm being grabby.

@orangeisthenewpuce I'm not asking to be given it. If it add perspective all of DMs 3 siblings live in properties previously owned by their parents/ILs. This is quote normal in our family. DM has been dangling the house like a carrot in front of us for years, but not making any effort to move.

OP posts:
orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 15:15

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 15:13

@silverclock222 You sound very grabby.

How? I'm not getting anything in the will and paying full market value for a house. You'll have to explain how you think I'm being grabby.

@orangeisthenewpuce I'm not asking to be given it. If it add perspective all of DMs 3 siblings live in properties previously owned by their parents/ILs. This is quote normal in our family. DM has been dangling the house like a carrot in front of us for years, but not making any effort to move.

Ah you didn't say that it was the norm in your family.

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 15:18

@orangeisthenewpuce
The insistence that she had to have the house. It's got nothing to do with the OP what her mum does with anything that belongs to her

DM has also said she would like the house to stay in the family. At one point one sibling said they might want it and we had a frank discussions where we both agreed that when the time came one of us would buy the others out. That sibling isn't currently in a position to buy and has said they re happy for us to.

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Butwhybecause · 07/11/2022 15:21

rookiemere · 07/11/2022 10:23

Sorry but from your DMs perspective it can't have been too comfortable to be acutely aware that your DD was eyeing up your property, keen to take it on the minute you were too frail to maintain it.

It's a huge decision for an elderly person to downsize and it does feel as if you have been pushing your DM to do it in a timescale of your choosing, rather than what best suits her.

There are three sides to every story, yours, hers and the truth.

I agree.

It does sound rather entitled.

You've made it plain for years that want your mother's house so she should have moved!
Perhaps she couldn't find anywhere she liked enough to prompt her to downsize.

It's her home and it's up to her if she wants to stay in it or sell.
Nor does she have to sell to you if she can get a better price from another buyer.

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