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Elderly parents

The family home

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Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 09:34

Posting under Elderly relatives as I think this is specific to my mum being older and hoping that there may be someone here who can offer some advice or at least some solidarity. Sorry...its long.

DM is mid 70s, fit and well but obviously slowing up. Widowed for the best part of 30 years, she still lives in the family home which DF built and died in. It’s a 4 bed detached house with an acre garden. I’m one of 3 siblings. I’ve always said I wanted the house when the time comes for DM to downsize and both siblings have been fine with that.
I moved away from home for uni but once DH and I had a family we actively started looking for a property back where I’m from. This was 2015. We were very clear with DM that we wanted her home and she has acknowledged this. Over the last 7 years DM has intermittently muttered about downsizing, but done nothing more than mutter.
We had a purchase local to DM fall through in 2015, and then finally moved with a purchase in process in July 2019. We were temporarily living with DM, again having been very clear that we really wanted her house. That purchase fell through, so we’d moved, were living with DM and had no house. We found a house that ticked enough boxes, but neither of us loved, but it was well under budget and we thought we’d either grow to love or hate it, and at least we weren’t paying rent or living with DM (we were there for 4 months). We grew to hate the house we bought. DM knew this. In Nov 2021, a suitable 'downsize' house very close to DM came on the market (she wants to stay in the same village, wants detached, wants a largish flat garden and wants 3 bedrooms....so not really downsizing at all). She offered us her house (at full market value) and put in an offer on the house she had viewed. We scrabbled about to find a mortgage and a bridging loan that would allow us to buy her house and enable her to be a credible bidder. In the end DM decided she didn’t like the house enough and withdrew her offer. In Feb 2022 we became aware of a private sale of a house that we liked and had an offer accepted on it. Bear in mind that this is peak covid housing boom time and most family homes around us were having at least 30 viewings and going to a bidding war; we were incredibly lucky to have this opportunity. At the time DM asked if we still wanted her house and I said we did, but she didn’t appear to want to actually move and we really liked the house we were buying. I told her that ultimately we wanted her house, and that if she told us 4 months after we moved into the new house that she was selling I would be very pissed off and not in a position to buy it. Nothing else was said. We moved in July 2022 and haven’t finished unpacking. We have appointed an architect. Yesterday DM asked me if rather than pursue renovations on our new house, would we rather buy hers and renovate it as she now wants to move.

There are not words to describe my anger and upset.

I asked DM if she had any idea how much stress and money was involved in moving house and she said “well you made lots of money on the other house, so that isn’t a problem”. She has totally failed to appreciate that the house we bought will also have increased in value and has zero concept of the stress having not moved in over 40 years.

On top of this I know that had I said to DM back in February that yes we would pull out of the purchase and buy her house we’d still be sitting in the house we didn’t like and she wouldn’t have moved forward at all.

In the interests of not drip feeding this comes on a background of DM telling me a year ago that she wasn’t including me or my DC in her will because we “don’t need anything”. All her assets are being left to my 2 siblings both of whom have 6 figure household incomes and one of whom is childless and a borderline alcoholic. That’s a whole other thread that I’m not going to get into. I’ve parked it because its her money and she is entitled to do what she likes with it….but I can’t pretend it doesn’t hurt. With regard to her Will I pushed quite hard a few years back for her to sort it. She refused and eventually told me it was “like you want me dead”. I’ve not mentioned it since. On the same vein, I was very clear when she did put the offer on the house that I didn’t want her moving if she thought she might be miserable in it. I didn’t want her or anyone else to think that I’d in effect kicked her out of her own home. The family home is hers. She’s also entitled to do what she likes with it but I don’t know where to go from here. DM seems to think we can just put our new house back on the market and move. Aside from not having the headspace to move again, financially we can’t. I am utterly devastated and heart broken. It will kill me to drive past her house with another family living in it knowing that we could have bought it had she made the offer 3 months previously. Furthermore I think this is the final straw to our already fragile relationship. The Will was bad, this is just about to finish what was left of us off. I’m even more sad about that. All through my 20s and most of my 30s she was my best friend and my rock. Over the last 4 years she has been increasingly unhelpful and difficult and our friendship has just imploded. She accused me today of never making time for her. Over the last 3 months I’ve organised 3 different days out with her. She makes no effort at all.
I am just sitting crying.

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Rwandaiszero · 07/11/2022 09:37

She sounds like my dad, you have my sympathy

Windtunnel · 07/11/2022 10:13

She sounds a bit like my dm op. 💐
Totally infuriating. Sounds like you just c⁹ant reason with her.
That's your hard choice, move again (would she contribute anything extra for her lack of thought? Does she not want you to have it? )
Or
Let your family home go.

On the will thing, how do the 'favoured' siblings view this? Amy chance they'd share it fairly?

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 07/11/2022 10:16

Have you got any idea why she would do this? What's going on in her head? She's human too - has she changed recently? Does she feel pushed into downsizing, is there resentment about what's been going on? Surely the inheritance thing must tell you something is awry in the family dynamic. Can you put all the house stuff aside and have an honest conversation with her?

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 10:23

@Windtunnel we simply can't move again. I always thought she was happy for me to have it, but it would appear to only on her exacting timescale. No, she wouldn't make allowances for the lack of thought - that would all be money that in her eyes we were benefiting from whilst depriving my poor impoverished siblings🤔. One sibling might share, not a cat in hells chance the other one would. And to be honest, its not really about the money. Its about feeling valued, and I just don't feel like she values me in the way she values the others despite having spent more time with me than the other 2 together.

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rookiemere · 07/11/2022 10:23

Sorry but from your DMs perspective it can't have been too comfortable to be acutely aware that your DD was eyeing up your property, keen to take it on the minute you were too frail to maintain it.

It's a huge decision for an elderly person to downsize and it does feel as if you have been pushing your DM to do it in a timescale of your choosing, rather than what best suits her.

There are three sides to every story, yours, hers and the truth.

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 10:32

@LadyGardenersQuestionTime she can't possibly feel pushed into downsizing as I talked her out of the only house she has looked at because I could see she wasn't really happy! She has known forever that I wanted the family home. There have been so many opportunities for us to buy in the last 4 years and she hasn't offered. I told her when we were buying the new house that we wouldn't be able to buy hers for at least another 5 years, so now was her chance. So she offers 3 months after we've completed.
We've had many loooong chats about the inheritance. Apparently she spent more time with me (she has)and the memories are more important. Honestly I have put that to one side or it would eat me up....but it has totally destroyed the relationship we had.

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Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 10:38

@rookiemere thank you for contributing and I have had similar thoughts for years. Aside from persuading her not to buy the only house she has looked at DH and I have assisted with many tasks to enable her to stay in her home including paying for her gardener.I had a conversation with both a friend an DM's sister in the past few weeks, both commented that they thought she'd never move out. I agreed and, given our recent purchase, had accepted that. I did not expect this.

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A580Hojas · 07/11/2022 10:43

What a long story.

I can understand your frustration. This is what it is isn't it, frustration? you pretty much just needed to write My mother agreed to sell us the family home I grew up in when she downsizes. She has now just offered it to me a few months after we moved somewhere else in the meantime because she isn't making any active moves to downsize and she has a very specific set of criteria for her next house so it could be years. She doesn't appreciative the great upheaval and financial costs in moving having not done it herself for many decades.

Yes, it's a really frustrating situation. I think you need to forget about the family house and work on loving the one you have bought. Maybe your DH would feel happier living in a house that isn't so loaded with personal family memories for you?

As for the will - yes, I would sever ties with a parent who treated me like that. And I more or less have (down to a phone call once or twice a year).

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 10:46

@A580Hojas 😂At least you've made me laugh. Thank you for summarising. Perhaps you could get a job at MNQH shortening all the lengthy posts!

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WallaceinAnderland · 07/11/2022 11:06

It's almost like you're hanging around her like a vulture. No wonder your relationship has deteriorated. You should just get on with your life, make decisions based on your current needs and when your mum is ready to sell you can see if you are in position to buy. That has been her home for over 30 years, of course she doesn't want to leave it.

caringcarer · 07/11/2022 11:11

Your Mum probably wants to move but can't face it. My own Mum lived in a large 4 bedroom house that needed a lot of upkeep especially in the garden. She told me she wanted to move to a 2 bedroom house but just could not face the actual moving. My Dad had died 18 years earlier and she still had a lot of his stuff in her wardrobe, in the garage and the garden shed. My sister's and I offered her help to move but she refused. In the end she died still living in house. You guessed it, my sister's and I took forever to sort through things and most was donated to charity or Freecycle but still a massive amount of work.

picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2022 11:21

I do empathise.

Would it help to bear in mind that if you don't help, it's unlikely to happen?

When mine left the property (identical situation, really), it took vast amounts of work from me to make it happen. Her entire life was in that house. She had no idea.

The new people gutted it, destroyed all the character. But we weren't in a position to move there.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 07/11/2022 11:41

Do you think she's really going to move now? Mid 70s, fit and active, I'm guessing she has no real need to downsize - it might be the "sensible" thing to do but unless she has fallen in love with somewhere else and really wants to live there more than the family home she's loved for 30 years then you may find it all falls through.

If not, well, I too would be massively hurt by her actions.

EL8888 · 07/11/2022 11:47

Has she always been so self absorbed and dismissive? “Well you made lots of money on the other house, so that isn’t a problem” 😳

I would be taking a step back from her. Oh and if she ever does decide to move then l wouldn’t get involved in that, as you know moving house is a hassle. The favoured siblings can do it

SweetChild0mine · 07/11/2022 11:48

Wetnovember · 07/11/2022 09:34

Posting under Elderly relatives as I think this is specific to my mum being older and hoping that there may be someone here who can offer some advice or at least some solidarity. Sorry...its long.

DM is mid 70s, fit and well but obviously slowing up. Widowed for the best part of 30 years, she still lives in the family home which DF built and died in. It’s a 4 bed detached house with an acre garden. I’m one of 3 siblings. I’ve always said I wanted the house when the time comes for DM to downsize and both siblings have been fine with that.
I moved away from home for uni but once DH and I had a family we actively started looking for a property back where I’m from. This was 2015. We were very clear with DM that we wanted her home and she has acknowledged this. Over the last 7 years DM has intermittently muttered about downsizing, but done nothing more than mutter.
We had a purchase local to DM fall through in 2015, and then finally moved with a purchase in process in July 2019. We were temporarily living with DM, again having been very clear that we really wanted her house. That purchase fell through, so we’d moved, were living with DM and had no house. We found a house that ticked enough boxes, but neither of us loved, but it was well under budget and we thought we’d either grow to love or hate it, and at least we weren’t paying rent or living with DM (we were there for 4 months). We grew to hate the house we bought. DM knew this. In Nov 2021, a suitable 'downsize' house very close to DM came on the market (she wants to stay in the same village, wants detached, wants a largish flat garden and wants 3 bedrooms....so not really downsizing at all). She offered us her house (at full market value) and put in an offer on the house she had viewed. We scrabbled about to find a mortgage and a bridging loan that would allow us to buy her house and enable her to be a credible bidder. In the end DM decided she didn’t like the house enough and withdrew her offer. In Feb 2022 we became aware of a private sale of a house that we liked and had an offer accepted on it. Bear in mind that this is peak covid housing boom time and most family homes around us were having at least 30 viewings and going to a bidding war; we were incredibly lucky to have this opportunity. At the time DM asked if we still wanted her house and I said we did, but she didn’t appear to want to actually move and we really liked the house we were buying. I told her that ultimately we wanted her house, and that if she told us 4 months after we moved into the new house that she was selling I would be very pissed off and not in a position to buy it. Nothing else was said. We moved in July 2022 and haven’t finished unpacking. We have appointed an architect. Yesterday DM asked me if rather than pursue renovations on our new house, would we rather buy hers and renovate it as she now wants to move.

There are not words to describe my anger and upset.

I asked DM if she had any idea how much stress and money was involved in moving house and she said “well you made lots of money on the other house, so that isn’t a problem”. She has totally failed to appreciate that the house we bought will also have increased in value and has zero concept of the stress having not moved in over 40 years.

On top of this I know that had I said to DM back in February that yes we would pull out of the purchase and buy her house we’d still be sitting in the house we didn’t like and she wouldn’t have moved forward at all.

In the interests of not drip feeding this comes on a background of DM telling me a year ago that she wasn’t including me or my DC in her will because we “don’t need anything”. All her assets are being left to my 2 siblings both of whom have 6 figure household incomes and one of whom is childless and a borderline alcoholic. That’s a whole other thread that I’m not going to get into. I’ve parked it because its her money and she is entitled to do what she likes with it….but I can’t pretend it doesn’t hurt. With regard to her Will I pushed quite hard a few years back for her to sort it. She refused and eventually told me it was “like you want me dead”. I’ve not mentioned it since. On the same vein, I was very clear when she did put the offer on the house that I didn’t want her moving if she thought she might be miserable in it. I didn’t want her or anyone else to think that I’d in effect kicked her out of her own home. The family home is hers. She’s also entitled to do what she likes with it but I don’t know where to go from here. DM seems to think we can just put our new house back on the market and move. Aside from not having the headspace to move again, financially we can’t. I am utterly devastated and heart broken. It will kill me to drive past her house with another family living in it knowing that we could have bought it had she made the offer 3 months previously. Furthermore I think this is the final straw to our already fragile relationship. The Will was bad, this is just about to finish what was left of us off. I’m even more sad about that. All through my 20s and most of my 30s she was my best friend and my rock. Over the last 4 years she has been increasingly unhelpful and difficult and our friendship has just imploded. She accused me today of never making time for her. Over the last 3 months I’ve organised 3 different days out with her. She makes no effort at all.
I am just sitting crying.

She sounds like she just wants your attention. She wants to cause you upheaval and dance to her tune. It's almost like she's done it on purpose. She must've had an idea she was near ready to move on.. but there's no drama in that is there.

Tell her you don't want the house and don't want anything from her will. Slowly cut ties.

Toddlerteaplease · 07/11/2022 11:58

rookiemere · 07/11/2022 10:23

Sorry but from your DMs perspective it can't have been too comfortable to be acutely aware that your DD was eyeing up your property, keen to take it on the minute you were too frail to maintain it.

It's a huge decision for an elderly person to downsize and it does feel as if you have been pushing your DM to do it in a timescale of your choosing, rather than what best suits her.

There are three sides to every story, yours, hers and the truth.

You seem to have really been piling the pressure on her to move before she want to.

ajandjjmum · 07/11/2022 12:02

I wouldn't be paying for her gardener!

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 07/11/2022 12:13

She doesn't really want to move, she just keeps getting told it would be for the best. My mum is similar, she loves her home, loves her garden. Although she's looking she won't find anything because she doesn't believe it's right deep down, she's not ready to move yet. Take a step back and stop pushing it.

silverclock222 · 07/11/2022 12:17

She obviously doesn't want to move so you really do sound like you're pressuring her. Her will is her will, it's not your business. 3 days out in 3 months is hardly pushing the boat out. You sound very grabby.

LadyDanburysHat · 07/11/2022 12:22

I don't think she has any intention of moving now. She will just stay there. I'd be surprised if she gets it on the market.

I agree with @SweetChild0mine she seems to just want attention.

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 12:49

Good god woman. It's not your house. Your poor mum must have been sick of you going on about it and how you must have it. I think your greed has come back to bite you. She can do what she wants with the house. She can leave HER money so anyone she likes. It has nothing to do with you

SweetChild0mine · 07/11/2022 12:50

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 12:49

Good god woman. It's not your house. Your poor mum must have been sick of you going on about it and how you must have it. I think your greed has come back to bite you. She can do what she wants with the house. She can leave HER money so anyone she likes. It has nothing to do with you

What greed?

She was buying the house at market value even though she isn't in the will

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 12:52

'What greed?She was buying the house at market value even though she isn't in the will'

The insistence that she had to have the house. It's got nothing to do with the OP what her mum does with anything that belongs to her.

A580Hojas · 07/11/2022 12:59

orangeisthenewpuce · 07/11/2022 12:52

'What greed?She was buying the house at market value even though she isn't in the will'

The insistence that she had to have the house. It's got nothing to do with the OP what her mum does with anything that belongs to her.

Well Mum doesn't mind that her dd wants to buy it does she? She's offered it to her now. It isn't a transaction that just benefits the dd - it means no effort on the Mum's part to stage the home or have viewings or deal with the Estate Agents.

As for your other comment that what the Mum leaves in her will has nothing to do with OP. I can only say how monumentally stupid you must be if you think anyone would take that seriously given the circumstances.

WallaceinAnderland · 07/11/2022 13:00

What happens if mum decides not to downsize and eventually the other siblings will inherit the house as part of the estate. Will they sell it to you then OP?

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