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The mental trauma caused by boarding

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GodessOfThunder · 25/07/2023 19:28

Very interesting book:
https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/08/boarding-school-syndrome-joy-schaverien-review

“Attachment – the crucial establishment of trust and security through a primary carer – is the basis of modern child development psychology. Boarding schools could not have broken or redirected healthy attachment more effectively, as Schaverien illustrates. From the moment the parent drove away, a child had to adjust to the fact that not only was privacy and safety no longer guaranteed – let alone the consolation of a hug – but that their parents had chosen this future. John Bowlby, the psychologist famous for first coming up with attachment theory in the 1960s, described public school as part of “the time-honoured barbarism required to produce English gentlemen”

Boarding School Syndrome review – education and the pain of separation | Society books | The Guardian

A gripping academic study of the mental wounds inflicted by classic British institutions

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/08/boarding-school-syndrome-joy-schaverien-review

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BoardingSchoolMater · 30/07/2023 21:36

Hoppinggreen · 30/07/2023 09:11

Probably because some families get stuck in the “it’s just the done thing” mindset rather than actually think what the best thing for their child is.

This is a daft view. None of my children attended the schools their parents/grandparents/great-grandparents had attended. We chose the schools that we thought would be the best fit for them as individuals.

It's also possible that Bear Grylls' negative experience of boarding school was based on his experience at a boarding prep school, rather than at 13+.

Wenfy · 30/07/2023 21:39

I think this depends on the school and the age a child starts to board. It can be an experience that makes or breaks children but in my experience kids who begin to board at the usual ‘prep out’ age (13+) and come from a feeder prep (and so have friends) tend to have an incredibly positive experience.

Hoppinggreen · 30/07/2023 21:46

BoardingSchoolMater · 30/07/2023 21:36

This is a daft view. None of my children attended the schools their parents/grandparents/great-grandparents had attended. We chose the schools that we thought would be the best fit for them as individuals.

It's also possible that Bear Grylls' negative experience of boarding school was based on his experience at a boarding prep school, rather than at 13+.

But did they Board because it was the done thing in your family?

BoardingSchoolMater · 30/07/2023 21:51

Hoppinggreen · 30/07/2023 21:46

But did they Board because it was the done thing in your family?

No. They boarded because those schools were the best all round fit for them. Going on to board was the 'done thing' at their prep school, but there were also children who went on to local day schools. As mentioned earlier, one of my DC was at a day school until she chose to board in the sixth form. We chose a school which suited her perfectly, and she loved every second of it - all her closest friends are from that time.

GodessOfThunder · 30/07/2023 22:43

BoardingSchoolMater · 30/07/2023 21:33

I'm flogging a dead horse, but...

But having a large amount of money enables all kinds of damaging behaviours - including sending your children to live apart from you at the time in their lives when it is most beneficial for them to live with you

"Damaging behaviours" are not the preserve of children who come from families with a large amount of money. Any fool knows that.

My personal view is that the early years are the time when it's most beneficial for children to be with a parent 24/7. I would never have sent any of my children to nursery (or a CM or nanny, come to that). All the research into early years would tend to support my view. But I wouldn't start a thread about my concern for small children who attend nursery, because a) I have no personal experience of nurseries; and b) I appreciate that people have many and good reasons to choose to send their children to nursery, and I would be a complete dick if I were to assert that every single one of these children had been damaged by it.

"Damaging behaviours" are not the preserve of children who come from families with a large amount of money. Any fool knows that.

What I wrote was: “having a large amount of money enables all kinds of damaging behaviours - including sending your children to live apart from you at the time in their lives when it is most beneficial for them to live with you.”

This refers to behaviours on the part of wealthy adults/parents, not children and doesn’t claim damaging behaviours are the “preserve” of parents who are wealthy.

Your approach to this debate has been largely a variation on the whataboutery fallacy. Yes, children can have damaging experiences at other kinds of schools. Yes, non wealthy parents can also damage their kids. But those things don’t change the fact that there’s extensive evidence boarding schools are a particular cause for concern, and hopefully the practice of sending children to them will die out.

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GodessOfThunder · 30/07/2023 22:48

BoardingSchoolMater · 30/07/2023 21:33

I'm flogging a dead horse, but...

But having a large amount of money enables all kinds of damaging behaviours - including sending your children to live apart from you at the time in their lives when it is most beneficial for them to live with you

"Damaging behaviours" are not the preserve of children who come from families with a large amount of money. Any fool knows that.

My personal view is that the early years are the time when it's most beneficial for children to be with a parent 24/7. I would never have sent any of my children to nursery (or a CM or nanny, come to that). All the research into early years would tend to support my view. But I wouldn't start a thread about my concern for small children who attend nursery, because a) I have no personal experience of nurseries; and b) I appreciate that people have many and good reasons to choose to send their children to nursery, and I would be a complete dick if I were to assert that every single one of these children had been damaged by it.

I would be a complete dick if I were to assert that every single one of these children had been damaged by it.

No one has suggested this is the case with boarding schools. Not everyone is damaged by taking heroin, or driving without a seatbelt, or not having smoke alarms, or having unprotected sex, but we still address these issues.

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GodessOfThunder · 30/07/2023 23:03

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1532-7795.2008.00556.x

It’s also the case attachment issues and other mental trauma can still arise even when a child is boarded starting in their teens.

To echo other posters, I suspect boarding is largely the product of tradition, social convention (“the done thing”) and parents seeking status.

When it’s stated boarding was the “best” option for the child, this likely means the child was deemed “suitable” for boarding by the parents. As we have heard from other commenters, this is by no means a guarantee that mental trauma will not ensue.

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AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 07:56

GodessOfThunder · 30/07/2023 22:43

"Damaging behaviours" are not the preserve of children who come from families with a large amount of money. Any fool knows that.

What I wrote was: “having a large amount of money enables all kinds of damaging behaviours - including sending your children to live apart from you at the time in their lives when it is most beneficial for them to live with you.”

This refers to behaviours on the part of wealthy adults/parents, not children and doesn’t claim damaging behaviours are the “preserve” of parents who are wealthy.

Your approach to this debate has been largely a variation on the whataboutery fallacy. Yes, children can have damaging experiences at other kinds of schools. Yes, non wealthy parents can also damage their kids. But those things don’t change the fact that there’s extensive evidence boarding schools are a particular cause for concern, and hopefully the practice of sending children to them will die out.

Nothing you have posted establishes that boarding per se is bad for children. If you send a child too young, if you send a child who is ill suited, if you send them into a poor environment, you will get problems. The same issues obtain in other environments. Much of what has been written about problems resulting from boarding relate to an era when disregarding the factors set out above was commonplace; that is no longer the case.
if we believe separation from parents is harmful per se we should be far more worried about infant daycare. That practice is far more widespread and affects children at a very early age, a pre-verbal age very often.

GodessOfThunder · 31/07/2023 08:07

AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 07:56

Nothing you have posted establishes that boarding per se is bad for children. If you send a child too young, if you send a child who is ill suited, if you send them into a poor environment, you will get problems. The same issues obtain in other environments. Much of what has been written about problems resulting from boarding relate to an era when disregarding the factors set out above was commonplace; that is no longer the case.
if we believe separation from parents is harmful per se we should be far more worried about infant daycare. That practice is far more widespread and affects children at a very early age, a pre-verbal age very often.

Nothing you have posted establishes that boarding per se is bad for children.

A significant proportion of children. You clearly haven’t read any of the research shared earlier.

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AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 08:27

No, it doesn’t establish that either. The truth is “boarding” is far too wide as a concept. Any reputable psychological researcher will understand that to lump the former practice of sending 7 year olds to board with no contact with family for weeks at a time together with the modern approach of sending 13 year olds with frequent contact through calls, texts, weekends home and visits is not valid. They are so different as to belong to different categories of experience altogether. It’s stating the obvious I know but you appear determined to ignore the reality of what boarding now is.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 08:29

I’m also interested to know when you’ll start in on the parents sending infants to daycare. Given your overwhelming concern for child welfare. Surely, given the ages involved and the much greater prevalence, that must worry you more. Surprised you manage even a wink of sleep in fact.

LaDeeDa123 · 31/07/2023 08:41

Boarding schools still attract predatory men. I realise these people exist in other types of schools too but if you want to put your dc in the position where they live away from you potentially in the company of paedophiles your dc will have to hope they are not one of the unlucky ones. No doubt this will cause some of you to froth at the mouth and claim how nurturing your DC’s school is, but if you knew the slightest thing about these men and how they operate you would put your own pride to one side and not put your dc in harms way.

Hoppinggreen · 31/07/2023 08:52

BoardingSchoolMater · 30/07/2023 21:51

No. They boarded because those schools were the best all round fit for them. Going on to board was the 'done thing' at their prep school, but there were also children who went on to local day schools. As mentioned earlier, one of my DC was at a day school until she chose to board in the sixth form. We chose a school which suited her perfectly, and she loved every second of it - all her closest friends are from that time.

So the best all round fit was not living at home?

Namechangeneededagain · 31/07/2023 09:00

They also attract men (and women)who enjoy emotionally abusing boys.You will meet some of the most disturbed individuals in these schools. They groom parents too.

Ask yourself why would anyone be drawn to this institutions? I am so ashamed to say that I sent my son to prep school and carried on to senior school believing things would be different. I am suffering on a daily basis, which is no more than I deserve.

You have written an excellent post @LaDeeDa123, I wish people would listen but fear it will fall on deaf ears.

LaDeeDa123 · 31/07/2023 09:12

@Namechangeneededagain I am so sorry to hear that you are suffering. I hope you can start to realise that you have done nothing wrong. Most of us try to make the right decisions for our dc and we do so with all the information we have available, which doesn’t include being able to look into the future. I hope you can get to a point where you feel that any harm that came to your child was not your doing. Take care x

Namechangeneededagain · 31/07/2023 09:15

Thank you @LaDeeDa123 for being so kind.x

LaDeeDa123 · 31/07/2023 09:18

@Namechangeneededagain

GodessOfThunder · 31/07/2023 09:31

AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 07:56

Nothing you have posted establishes that boarding per se is bad for children. If you send a child too young, if you send a child who is ill suited, if you send them into a poor environment, you will get problems. The same issues obtain in other environments. Much of what has been written about problems resulting from boarding relate to an era when disregarding the factors set out above was commonplace; that is no longer the case.
if we believe separation from parents is harmful per se we should be far more worried about infant daycare. That practice is far more widespread and affects children at a very early age, a pre-verbal age very often.

if we believe separation from parents is harmful per se we should be far more worried about infant daycare. That practice is far more widespread and affects children at a very early age, a pre-verbal age very often.

we can worry about more than one thing at the same time. to base your argument on we should be worrying about something else “far more” is just whataboutery .

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GodessOfThunder · 31/07/2023 09:38

AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 08:27

No, it doesn’t establish that either. The truth is “boarding” is far too wide as a concept. Any reputable psychological researcher will understand that to lump the former practice of sending 7 year olds to board with no contact with family for weeks at a time together with the modern approach of sending 13 year olds with frequent contact through calls, texts, weekends home and visits is not valid. They are so different as to belong to different categories of experience altogether. It’s stating the obvious I know but you appear determined to ignore the reality of what boarding now is.

No one is lumping anything together - apart from in your imagination to create a straw man.

Research has been done into children of various ages. The picture that has emerged is that sending kids away pre-teen is especially damaging, but trauma also occurs among some of those boarded later, ie teens/adolescents.

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itsmyp4rty · 31/07/2023 09:46

An ex of mine went to boarding school at 7 in a different country to his parents (his dad was in the army). He seemed to have rewritten the whole narrative around it.

He had convinced himself he chose to go to a boarding school abroad at 7 as it was the best thing for his education, and that it continued to be the best thing for him despite being horribly bullied. He believed his parents could do no wrong and was very emotionally dependent on them. He wouldn't consider moving away from where they lived as an adult.

He couldn't see it at all but I thought he had been hugely damaged by it and had a very insecure attachment style.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 10:10

GodessOfThunder · 31/07/2023 09:31

if we believe separation from parents is harmful per se we should be far more worried about infant daycare. That practice is far more widespread and affects children at a very early age, a pre-verbal age very often.

we can worry about more than one thing at the same time. to base your argument on we should be worrying about something else “far more” is just whataboutery .

We absolutely can worry about more than one thing. But you don’t seem to. Wonder why that might be.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 10:11

GodessOfThunder · 31/07/2023 09:38

No one is lumping anything together - apart from in your imagination to create a straw man.

Research has been done into children of various ages. The picture that has emerged is that sending kids away pre-teen is especially damaging, but trauma also occurs among some of those boarded later, ie teens/adolescents.

Bad boarding environments, like other bad environments, can cause harm at any age. There is absolutely nothing that establishes that boarding per se is damaging or which would justify banning it.

DontYouThreatenMeWithADeadFish · 31/07/2023 10:24

LaDeeDa123 · 31/07/2023 08:41

Boarding schools still attract predatory men. I realise these people exist in other types of schools too but if you want to put your dc in the position where they live away from you potentially in the company of paedophiles your dc will have to hope they are not one of the unlucky ones. No doubt this will cause some of you to froth at the mouth and claim how nurturing your DC’s school is, but if you knew the slightest thing about these men and how they operate you would put your own pride to one side and not put your dc in harms way.

Predatory men will go extraordinary lengths to get close to, and isolate their victims in various scenarios, not just schools but sports clubs, theatre groups, church groups, dance schools, cubs, scouts etc. Thankfully safeguarding and vetting is taken a bit more seriously these days.

GodessOfThunder · 31/07/2023 10:37

AgathaSpencerGregson · 31/07/2023 10:10

We absolutely can worry about more than one thing. But you don’t seem to. Wonder why that might be.

This thread is about boarding schools. Attempting to shift the conversation to nursery care is a a rather obvious attempt at whataboutery. Start a thread about nursery care if you like.

At least you’ve finally admitted boarding schools are something to worry about.

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LaDeeDa123 · 31/07/2023 11:48

@DontYouThreatenMeWithADeadFish i have said that predatory men operate in other places too but children at boarding schools are so much more vulnerable than children in other settings. To say otherwise, as you seem to be doing, is false and actually dangerous.