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Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 5

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ICouldBeVioletSky · 18/04/2025 11:15

Starting a continuation thread in anticipation of the fourth one filling up…

www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5301690-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-4?page=39

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SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 18:36

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 18:35

Oh look a squirrel!

Oh look, someone who can't admit privilege!

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 18:36

twistyizzy · 01/05/2025 18:19

I'm taking no notes from someone who can't even understand how using grammar schools is privilege above what the majority of parents have available to them

Of course you're not. I have never said I am not privileged. Another comprehension fail?

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 18:41

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 18:36

Oh look, someone who can't admit privilege!

I really don't think you would like to know the extent of my privilege. I am fully aware of it. It goes way beyond good state schools. I think it might upset some on here given the frenzy merely around rich London dwellers having the audacity to use their local state schools.

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 18:41

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 15:39

No one is denigrating anyone. The only criticism I have had on these pages is the desperate dredging up of Starmer's own school circumstances. It is not my fault that my DC were clever enough and we happened to be in the right geography for them to access excellent state schools. If you think these schools should be closed just because they are good or you are jealous, you are no better than those baying for VAT and or private schools to close.

But it "is not your fault" "right geography" and "clever enough" kids didn't sound very much like you were admitting privilege.
I'll take the apology that wasn't offered though.

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 18:43

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 18:41

But it "is not your fault" "right geography" and "clever enough" kids didn't sound very much like you were admitting privilege.
I'll take the apology that wasn't offered though.

Of course that is privilege. How can you not understand that?

EasternStandard · 01/05/2025 18:45

I don’t think it’s surprising some posters have privilege on mn and use state to their benefit.

I’m not sure why it’s important when it comes to VAT policy though.

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 18:46

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 18:43

Of course that is privilege. How can you not understand that?

Oh, I know what it is. So when you said I was jealous, what you meant to say was, I paid for tutoring and an expensive house so I did not have to pay for exclusive schooling. It just comes out in a very strange way that takes multiple hours to admit. OK then.

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 01/05/2025 18:48

Ubertomusic · 01/05/2025 12:06

This is a different statement to "he didn't go to a private school".
Do you consider children in private schools on bursaries privileged? Like Frankie Keita and other ballet children on MDS. Are they not going to private schools if they don't pay (or pay less than usual)?

Edited

Children on a ballet MDS are gifted. There is no state provision whatsoever.

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 18:50

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 18:46

Oh, I know what it is. So when you said I was jealous, what you meant to say was, I paid for tutoring and an expensive house so I did not have to pay for exclusive schooling. It just comes out in a very strange way that takes multiple hours to admit. OK then.

Edited

And once again, we didn't tutor. I already wrote that in a previous post. And we had an expensive house before we had children. Sorry not sorry.

Araminta1003 · 01/05/2025 18:50

Because at the moment it’s 50 per cent of top 1 per cent taxpayers (assume that includes @KendricksGin) using ä largely the very best state schools. So when that rises to 75 per cent less of best state schools going around. It’s those of us with 3 plus kids all shifting entirely state now. Anecdotal I know but I have a lawyer earning more than a million pounds a year going state grammar with my DC this year into year 7. They weren’t but for the VAT. They have decided to take state places and retire early instead. This is what this type of policy does to people‘s choices.

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 18:51

EasternStandard · 01/05/2025 18:45

I don’t think it’s surprising some posters have privilege on mn and use state to their benefit.

I’m not sure why it’s important when it comes to VAT policy though.

The point began when they tried to say Starmer wasn't a hypocrite for attending a selective then private school paid for my the tax payer then a bursary, then wouldn't admit that them forgiving him his and his parent's choices to take that education and money was not trying to pull the ladder up behind him. There was also suggestions that all state schools in grammar areas were much the same as everywhere else in the country and that anyone who couldn't access them was just jealous because they are the right kind of wealthy, not the kind who have to pay for private education.

It just summed up what a ridiculous argument they have for taxing education and little experience of the state of the state sector other than selective schooling.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2025 18:52

Why is this thread about a pp with an expensive house and dc benefitting from state?

EasternStandard · 01/05/2025 18:54

@SmegmaCausesBVI know what you mean.

CatkinToadflax · 01/05/2025 19:12

Personally I’m still hoping for improved provision for children with SEN.

Ubertomusic · 01/05/2025 19:13

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 01/05/2025 18:48

Children on a ballet MDS are gifted. There is no state provision whatsoever.

Tell me about it.

Some of those children were reduced to begging to fill the gap in fees opened because of VAT whilst "the posh and rich" MNetters enjoy their moral stance after bringing the talented children down.

Incidentally (not), my DD danced in two productions with Frankie Keita, the ballet boy mentioned upthread who is now trying to fundrise to continue his education. DD had to drop ballet as we were forced out of the school (not RBS) and even out of the area. Well done to the "true lefties" for trampling over the talented children's dreams! 👏

FairMindedMaiden · 01/05/2025 19:36

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 18:46

Oh, I know what it is. So when you said I was jealous, what you meant to say was, I paid for tutoring and an expensive house so I did not have to pay for exclusive schooling. It just comes out in a very strange way that takes multiple hours to admit. OK then.

Edited

‘takes multiple hours to admit.’ You’ll eventually find out she doesn’t support the education tax. We’ve all been down this dead end at some point. It seems to be in order to have someone engaged to tell about her children and house.

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 19:39

FairMindedMaiden · 01/05/2025 19:36

‘takes multiple hours to admit.’ You’ll eventually find out she doesn’t support the education tax. We’ve all been down this dead end at some point. It seems to be in order to have someone engaged to tell about her children and house.

Don't forget the unrivalled privilege that would make us mere mortals weep. Oxbridge, clever, London, blah blah. I forgot it's all just an excuse to boast.

LetItGo99 · 01/05/2025 19:50

FairMindedMaiden · 01/05/2025 19:36

‘takes multiple hours to admit.’ You’ll eventually find out she doesn’t support the education tax. We’ve all been down this dead end at some point. It seems to be in order to have someone engaged to tell about her children and house.

I suspect there's significant amounts of gin involved, and a whole lot of story telling. I doubt much of what she says is true: the posts are definitely goady and trolling. Best to ignore.

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 20:43

FairMindedMaiden · 01/05/2025 19:36

‘takes multiple hours to admit.’ You’ll eventually find out she doesn’t support the education tax. We’ve all been down this dead end at some point. It seems to be in order to have someone engaged to tell about her children and house.

I said that upfront but for the hard of comprehension (yourself included) it takes some time to grasp.

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 20:43

LetItGo99 · 01/05/2025 19:50

I suspect there's significant amounts of gin involved, and a whole lot of story telling. I doubt much of what she says is true: the posts are definitely goady and trolling. Best to ignore.

If that makes you feel better, all good. Sorry it's all true.

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 21:03

SmegmaCausesBV · 01/05/2025 19:39

Don't forget the unrivalled privilege that would make us mere mortals weep. Oxbridge, clever, London, blah blah. I forgot it's all just an excuse to boast.

This is normal in my (and I suspect @Araminta1003 's) circles and certainly not boast-worthy. It depends on the audience I suppose.

SabrinaThwaite · 01/05/2025 21:13

KendricksGin · 01/05/2025 21:03

This is normal in my (and I suspect @Araminta1003 's) circles and certainly not boast-worthy. It depends on the audience I suppose.

Doesn’t Araminta have one at ETH and one heading to MIT?

Araminta1003 · 01/05/2025 21:32

@SabrinaThwaite it is the same DC as ETH have a partnership with MIT. ETH still very cheap when DC unrolled, now changing for international students. It’s the free way of doing the US. I think Imperial may have something similar but I don’t know how the funding works.
Yes DH and I both went to Oxbridge but we are keen for our own DC to go further afield, call it a reaction to Brexit.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2025 21:32

SabrinaThwaite · 01/05/2025 21:13

Doesn’t Araminta have one at ETH and one heading to MIT?

Who also is clear on the topic of VAT

Araminta1003 · 01/05/2025 21:32

That was meant to say enrolled.

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