Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 5

[ICouldBeVioletSky]

Starting a continuation thread in anticipation of the fourth one filling up…

www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5301690-whitehall-braced-for-private-schools-collapse-4?page=39

Do you? I thought you said previously you could see that there was an impact from the VAT that meant schools were closing and many children had to leave and be uprooted because their parents can't afford fees. Do you now not think that is happening at all?

No one is denigrating anyone. The only criticism I have had on these pages is the desperate dredging up of Starmer's own school circumstances. It is not my fault that my DC were clever enough and we happened to be in the right geography for them to access excellent state schools. If you think these schools should be closed just because they are good or you are jealous, you are no better than those baying for VAT and or private schools to close.

Doesn't seem to me that the supporters of the policy do 🤷🏻‍♀️

It is your luck. No more no less.
Trying to pretend you and Starmer are not approaching this from places (literally) of luck is undermining any argument that selective areas don't have better state resources. You would likely think very differently if the only options you had were sink schools, but then you probably wouldn't have chosen to live there.

I never said no schools would close but I believe it will take some time to see the real impact of VAT. Also there are other factors at play currently beyond VAT such as cost of living crisis, global economic uncertainty, jobs under threat etc. etc.

Oh dear. It is jealousy.

I have no idea why you would come up with that snarky comment other than to completely deny your own luck and privilege. What do you want us to say, YES I AM JEALOUS YOU HAVE A GRAMMAR SCHOOL IN YOUR AREA!

No, I think grammar schools (or other academically selective schools) should be available to everyone. State education should not be a postcode lottery. I’m assuming Labour’s plans don’t include expanding grammar provision though.

Now be patient, let's see what we can do with the £££ VAT moolah bonanza, we won't know what the full impact is until after they've paid for the Weetabix. I mean, seeing as the government have closed down the MFL and STEM programmes, it's not looking promising for ambitious academic standards, but perhaps it just jealousy clouding our views.

Don't forget they also closed state programmes in: Latin + Advanced maths They also limited computer and behaviour hubs
Cut education budget
Not funded the teacher pay rise
Overseeing lower recruitment than previous government
Are at war with teaching unions

Not looking too promising.....

I don’t mind grammars but Labour should drop the VAT policy.

There are c148 state grammar schools, some of which are very good. They pretend that they are open to all on academic selection alone, but if we are honest, we know that is not true. And we also know that they have a damaging effect on the education of the majority.

@CurlewKate my apologies if I’m mixing you up with another poster, but didn’t your daughter go to grammar school? If that’s the case you can’t disapprove of them that much.

They’re giving bowls of cornflakes and half a breakfast muffin to the children of millionaires using state schools though. A really good use of taxpayer funds…….

Not all state schools were directly affected by the previous strikes. In our small church school NOBODY striked! I doubt they will this time. They will just get their heads down, work hard and tap the parents for extra funding, as they have had to do for the last 10 plus years and run everything on a shoe string. A few teachers striked in the kids secondary grammars, but not that many and nobody let it affect exam years. Not all state schools are constituted equally. A lot of them are full of teachers who think all politicians are BS and care about the students and the community above politics.

Starmer and Reeves absolutely know VAT won’t make any cash. They are doing it clearly so they can tell the poor and disabled - look we did have a dig at rich people’s kids, whilst stealing the little the poor have left. Because they are all entirely incompetent busybodyies who have zero business acumen and plan for the economy or how to get us out of the mess. So they are using the let’s at least all be miserable together happy not so clappy mantra. Meanwhile, the Titanic continues to sink at the sheer burden of managerial incompetence. Did not see the ice block coming Sir Keir?

The only type of person who could get us out of this mess would be a true visionary leader who can ignore party politics and implement a clear and divisive plan with closer ties to the EU, a technical revolution, work on our strengths like Education and inspire productivity. Making people more and more miserable is the complete opposite of that.

It’s a shame people fall for it.

Well why are you so angry with me when you know nothing about me other than my DC went to good state schools?

I don't think I have written anything angry to you - I asked you if you were aware of your own luck/privilege which you seem to be very keen to deny, in an effort to suggest everyone should be happy with state education because yours/your DC's was a grammar.

You were the one who tried to insult me by calling me jealous...

Charging VAT is a contributing factor to some schools closing. Others are as healthy as they ever were. Just reframing without the hyperbole. HTH

I'm taking no notes from someone who can't even understand how using grammar schools is privilege above what the majority of parents have available to them

Some schools closing is bad though still. It’s a poor policy.

Poverty in parents is a contributing factor to some schools failing. Not grammar ones though. HTH.

Oh look a squirrel!