Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 3

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Starting a third thread to discuss impact of VAT on private school fees, as the topic looks likely to run (and run). Though probably best to finish off the second thread before posting here, thx.

Secondary schools are still in bulge years until 2028
The data is from ISC because that's the only organisation collecting data, Labour refuse to collect data on it.

If this nonsense is directed at me, given that Labrador was responding to me, you are very, very far off the mark.

So it won't raise much, if anything?

I don't know, the government seem to think so but so many of you disagree, although obviously many of you may have vested interest in dismissing the idea.

There was zero impact assessment done until the very last minute when they were forced to, no engagement with the sector and chose to ignore, delete and gaslight when challenged.
That's why there is a legal challenge for which the government have employed 4 x KCs at the taxpayer's expense.
This policy disproportionately impacts small, rural schools and kids who currently get fee assistance + those with SEN.
It is petty, spiteful designed to have maximum impact on children in independent schools! 1 Labour MP supporter of the policy actually wrote a paper on the damage caused by kids moving schools, especially mid-year (and states it should be avoided at all costs), yet he supports a policy which creates exactly this scenario.

As a parent and net tax payer I definitely have a vested interest in the Government not carrying out expensive social engineering experiments on my children. I also don’t think there’s anything particularly virtuous or brave about being willing to offer up other parent’s education choices at the alter of warped ideology.

We use state so have a vested interest in education policies that are not nonsensical or damaging.

No personal vested interests here. I have one child who has been entirely educated in state schools and is finished in June.

But I will still call out policies that I think are bad for children and bad for the country.

Please can someone kindly link to the impact assessment. I didnt know there was one.
And any published info you have about the legal cases.

Here is the commons library briefing on the VAT on schools by way of a swap: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10125/CBP-10125.pdf

They don't want to destroy it because it's good. Don't be so ridiculous!

They want all kids to have a good education.

They don't think it's fair that the wealthiest families should dodge tax.

Seems fair to me.

Stop moaning. Nobody feels sorry for you.

Oh so anyone who has a different viewpoint to you is ignorant and/or a labour bot? Okay 😂

Condescending much.

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Definitely not a Labour Bot. What does that even mean?!

I'm a parent of bright kids at a state school. Who doesn't believe that 6% of kids in this country are in someway more entitled to a better education than everyone else, just because of an accident of birth.

And most people totally agree with me 🤷🏻‍♀️

Private schools are a red herring. Let parents pay to take these kids off the State's books and let the private sector worry about the huge amount of SEN kids going there. The focus needs to be on improving standards in poorly performing schools and looking at why some schools out perform others so dramatically. Potentially we need to look at radical reform to even out catchments and tackle cultural issues in places where these have become a barrier to education. We need to look at SEN and how it is managed. All of these issues are much more important to achieving educational equality than dismantling a sector that is actually producing highly educated and productive members of society.

This is such a frustrating viewpoint, it's the same as people who use private healthcare claiming that they are relieving the NHS of the pressure.

And the "highly educated and productive members of society" comment says it all. You instil in these children that they are the BEST and so much better than their state school counterparts, because their parents are so much more successful than state school parents (another comment on this thread).

It's an absolute sickness in this society and I'm so pleased we have the most working class cabinet in history making ideological decisions like this, one that those jeering Tory public school boys we had to put up with so long would never have taken.

The true sickness is people acting out of fear, spite and ignorance, voting on systems and institutions they don't understand and destroying them carelessly (see Trump and the MAGA for what this looks like elsewhere). Lack of decent education and critical thinking leads to all these things, so no surprise really that the UK is spiralling downwards. Good luck to you.

I see you’ve completely dropped the pretence of arguing this is not purely an ideological policy, progress.

If in doubt, call someone a maga trump voter innit.

A policy can be ideological and make money at the same time you know.

I guess we found something to agree on - it is a purely ideological policy and any revenue / loss of revenue is secondary.

the thing about ideologically driven policy is they don’t tend to have much staying power since they aren’t anchored in reality and often cause more problems than they solve.

It could but it won’t.

“And the "highly educated and productive members of society" comment says it all. You instil in these children that they are the BEST and so much better than their state school counterparts, because their parents are so much more successful than state school parents (another comment on this thread).”

This is complete nonsense. I have friends and family and colleagues who send their children to a variety of schools from the most known private schools like Eton/Winchester/Westminster to a RI local comp and NOBODY thinks like this, is jealous in any way. In fact I would say the opposite - sometimes those who spent a lot regret it especially when the uni outcome and grade outcome ends up the same eventually. The real privilege is having bright children who thrive in a local outstanding state school! And you do not have to pay and can work part time, put loads into your pension, take your kids on exotic holidays, afford top extracurricular etc. There are plenty of people doing just that and people like you are telling everyone to do this basically going forward.

🤗Yes I’m sure the ideological cure for the ‘sickness of society’ will also improve state education.