The councils need to find spaces for all children!!

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https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/surrey-runs-out-of-state-school-places-for-private-pupils-as-vat-raid-bites/?amp

I am relieved to see that the Surrey is also looking at options to expand class sizes and use transportation to take children to other areas. They really need to get their act together quickly.

all children has a right to state education.

I can see the argument for VAT on school fees but it should be phased in over say 5 years at least.
What Labour did, bringing it in almost immediately, is simply SPITEFUL.
I often find Labour implement policies that make no economic sense but are intended to simply be SPITEFUL to groups they do not like which is not in the slightest inclusive of all or for the good of the children.
Incidentally I was comprehensively "educated" - totally useless school system introduced out of SPITE again. No wonder parents want their kids to get into the local grammar if it still exists. And fair do's to parents who can afford to go private, they are keeping class sizes down for the rest of us. But SPITE rules sadly with Labour.

Not sure where abouts in Surrey this is, but my daughter's school, in Surrey, is going from 9 to 7 form entry due to drop in numbers.

Did you actually read the article? It's a forecast for next year, which says there may not be places. Followed by a quote from Surrey that said they could add more if needed.....

So if they can add more, there's no problem!

Yup, I'm an LA admissions manager and I do this monthly for dozens of kids at secondary level as our schools are all full despite increasing PAN. I placed close to 1000 last academic year for secondary via Fair Access. The minority are independent school leavers and that has been the same so far this year. It's not always the school the parents request but we do offer a place as is required by law. We have not paid any independent schools to keep mainstream kids on roll and have no capacity or availabile funds to do this. I work for a large city north of Watford Gap.

Children have the right to an education, and parents have the responsibility to provide that, either by educating at home or by having them attend school.

There is however also a duty on local authorities to provide a state school place to all who apply for one. I think that is what is meant when they say a child is entitled to a state school place.

Labour just wants to Eff everyone. They want to dumb everyone down, make life a drudging misery of overcrowding, high prices and taxes. Foster hatred of anyone who has “more” …. Communism dressed as Labour,

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face!

Yes, great policy, just like all their other tax "raising" policies which cost more than the taxes they raise.

Labour have learnt nothing from history. The more you tax people, the more they go out of their way to avoid paying it and you end up collecting less.

But Labour does it every time they get in.

There are definitely places for younger years in Surrey schools, low birth rates have had an impact. I don’t think it’s surprising the majority of schools are full in GCSE yrs though.

Really curious about people pulling their children out of private and the sending them to state. So in our area (as is in many areas I expect) there are schools that are seen as good schools - over subscribed etc, their results are marginally under the local privates but only marginally. Then there are state schools that are undersubscribed - in areas seen as a bit dodgy.

When parents are up in arms about their kids not getting into state schools I wonder if it is their chosen school (ie the supposedly good schools) or not being given any state provision. Because in my local area I can name at least 2 schools that would have places.

(I actually don’t think the policy is sensible simply because of the maths and it annoys me that it impacts those parents who are paying but on lowest incomes).

Utter bollocks that LAs are funding independent school places except in cases of EHCPs where no local school can meet need/ tribunal direction, and/or other extreme instances where a child is Looked After, Forces or similar and there’s only a term of their education left and nowhere suitable. The rest of this is the scandalised upper middle classes trying to shit stir and scaremonger.

LAs will just direct schools to take over PAN if needs be; it happens all the time. If i was a private school parent i’d invest the school fees saved into a portacabin company, cos that’s probably where Agamemnon and Avocado will end up being educated come September!

I think this is a stupid policy however the youngest years definitely have space in some parts if surrey. DD's infant school amalgamated 3 classes into 2 for this year's y1 and are dropping to a 2 form entry overall from next year. ds' y2 class (different school) are at 26 ish, however y4 and upwards is still tail the end of the recent high birth rate. Introducing it from reception 2025 would probably have made more sense.

“Dumb everyone down”?! You realise state school kids achieve 7s, 8s and 9s in GCSEs don’t you? How patronising.

When parents are up in arms about their kids not getting into state schools I wonder if it is their chosen school (ie the supposedly good schools) or not being given any state provision. Because in my local area I can name at least 2 schools that would have places.

I’m thinking it’s this.

They want to dumb everyone down, make life a drudging misery of overcrowding, high prices and taxes.

So Tories didn’t have anything to do with immigration, higher prices & taxes in recent years? 😆

I don't think this is actual places required though, is it? It's a projection.

In my part of Surrey, normally over subscribed schools are advertising places and catchment areas seem to have got wider.

I assume it is a mixture of falling birth rates, and because living here is pretty unaffordable for families.

@Ellmau yes

You've thought about going on benefits so you don't have to pay taxes?

So in conclusion, there are enough places for every child who wants one?

@MarzipanAndFrenchFancies yes, Surrey is suffering from low birth rates like much of London.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly559jnd2zo

Please don't let facts get in the way of a good thread!

Yes numbers on roll are falling.

The irony is expanding class sizes just makes the education system worse for those in it. Those that will suffer will be the very ones this policy was meant to help.

It was an utterly stupid idea in it's execution. Anyone with half a brain could see that, regardless of their views on private education. If they really wanted to follow through with the idea then a phased execution would have been better. But this government are about as intelligent as a goldfish. So its unsurprising really. Oh and this amazing life changing goverment are already suceeding in other ways becsuse what a surprise the economy has shrunk again.

Are you suggesting that their post will remain empty until Labour are ousted?