The councils need to find spaces for all children!!

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https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/surrey-runs-out-of-state-school-places-for-private-pupils-as-vat-raid-bites/?amp

I am relieved to see that the Surrey is also looking at options to expand class sizes and use transportation to take children to other areas. They really need to get their act together quickly.

all children has a right to state education.

So, yes you do.

The irony is expanding class sizes just makes the education system worse for those in it. Those that will suffer will be the very ones this policy was meant to help.

This. And ex-private pupils will have parents who can hire tutors to fill the gaps, so the effects will be felt more keenly by the ones it was supposed to help. Although I think it’s an ideological policy, more than anything.

Which LAs have been doing this, please?

They could take the interest revenue the banks currently get for holding our money overnight.

The banks don't like that though.

They could also put a tax on coffee shops and takeaways.

A tiny percent on insurance tax would raise loads.

But if they're not going to cut waste then they're just idiots.

The Telegraph article cited the difficulties being in secondary schools, not primary, and also mentioned yr 9 in particular. Presumably that's parents who thought they could afford it but don't feel secure enough now, and so have decided now to move so there is no disruption to GCSEs.

The demographic drop has not reached that year group.
And indeed has not reached secondary age at all, though it will in the next year or two, hence plans to reduce capacity in a year or two, which will probably be able to go ahead unaltered in places which do not have high numbers in - and therefore possibly leaving - the private sector.

How on earth could it be phased in over 5 years? That’s a whole parliamentary term.

Oh, and writing a word repeatedly in capitals doesn’t make it true.

Also the councils having to pay taxi fees for those children being placed out of catchment what a vindictive malicious superficial raising b of money superb own goal Labour you complete tools

Things like paying taxi fees are fairly transitory though.

It was a very clear manifesto pledge that this would be brought in, and pretty swiftly. And more people voted for the party with that pledge, so that's what's happening.

Personally I think tax on education is wring and wish we had kept in step with EU on this. But it was a clear policy of the winning party, not SPITEFUL just a different ideology

Why did you keep capitalising the word spite?!

@SheilaFentiman transitory still a cost £12k Per child plus £7k to educate that wasn’t there before to the tax payer

i don't think this will result in the improvements the way many people hope it will.
the money will be squandered on the periphery and nothing about the actual classroom day to day operation will change for a long long long time. i estimate 7+ years before sen is adequately integrated and funded. 7+ years before the number of teachers are trained hired and making a difference. 7+ years before physical schools are adapted for the population shift.
and the financial divide and the privilege that comes with secure finances will remain.

I agree, sadly.

Still, it's a start.

So not only will they not be getting the VAT from you, but they won’t be earning PAYE either. Such a short-sighted and, frankly, vindictive policy. Am in Surrey myself and my kids finished privates school this year - at state 6th forms/tech college - but we were only in the private sector because the SEN provision (and even the request for an ASD/ADHD assessment for each of them) was non existent.

Surrey has a very high number of SEN kids due to having a few specialist schools in county and many of them are accommodated in private schools. Many of those children will now go into the state sector unless they can get EHCPs or additional funding on the back of existing EHCPs.

Utter farce.

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The stupidity of it all...

Don't worry, it isn't happening.

So far there are enough places within Edinburgh and it's been a bit of a damp squib to be honest. Well, I say 'places' - there are enough places across the city, maybe not enough at Boroughmuir or James Gillespies. But secondary kids are expected to bus with their free passes, so no cost there. Little trickier with primary but there are always bulge years/bulge classes/ridiculous catchment hoops to jump through for primary in Edinburgh.

They need to bring back child labour, would solve the no school place dilemma in one fell swoop, and of course the factories and dark satanic mills wouldn’t have to pay them an adult wage………… oh, sorry, I thought your post was tongue in cheek too.

I don't think it's extreme, I considered the same solution.

It's very easy to have strong beliefs when you also have money.

about 50% of the children who got pulled out of my kids’ private school have fairly severe SENDs . They also have parents who know that their children can achieve in a decent school - and these parents are angry. I don’t envy the teachers/ leadership teams of these kid’ new schools. There is nothing to loose for the parents, so they’ll make sure if their child doesn’t get an education, nobody else will either.

This is exactly what happens in my county too. No children referred to FAP from private schools so far this year....

Why not work with the school? These parents sound like idiots.

because they know the schools can’t accommodate their children. SENDs provision is diabolical. This is primary - 1 teacher and 32 kids, 5-10 of them with SENDs. School would need like 5-6 additional TAs per year to even come close. Not happening.
Most of them came from the state sector in year 1 or 2, and now have to go back.

So how is making the school the enemy going to help in any way?
It's just such a counterproductive approach.