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I’ll be paying my 20 percent

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Froginpot · 13/10/2024 22:07

I’ll be changing my car to a much more economical one and paying the 20 percent vat on private school fees when it comes to pass.

The reality is in general the trend in the UK has been for lower and lower academic attainment and the UK educational system ( including a respectable segment of the university system ) is now sadly mediocre at best. And this is directly going to have a significant influence on the long term trajectory of post brexit Britain.

Sadly we are so mired in short term politicking and yes the politics of envy and entitlement that we seem not to notice this ominous decline.
A British education 80 years ago and A British education today are two very different concepts.
There have been some progressive improvements primarily around inclusion and pastoral care but the actual quality of academic progress..we have been left behind.

The recent riots were a very stark demonstration of how our educational systems are failing our children especially in world where misinformation and lies travel around the globe in minutes.

The number of children with Autism and other neurodiverse conditions is increasing rapidly (not limited to the UK) and the funding required to properly support these children is going to be astronomical. Let’s not even contemplate the burgeoning mental health crisis in our society and the its implications.

A truly progressive government would be looking to improve the education of all children (our future) anyway they can and would be looking to encourage and incentivise a greater uptake of children in the private sector and grammar school system as well as create more education streams such that children regardless of their abilities will receive an education that adds value to their lives and in so doing adds value to Team GB.

I wonder how it is not hypocritical that they are happy for the private hospital sector to undertake so many NHS operations to reduce waiting lists yet think it is somehow not okay to look at an education sector that is doing better and not look to collaborate similarly?

It is shamefully okay to levy a tax on the education of a sector of British citizens while actively importing academics, doctors, nurses, radiologists, radiographers, engineers etc from abroad?
If these privately educated kids finally enter the workforce, one wonders if they will work in vacuums benefitting only themselves and their loaded parents or might they work in jobs that are also useful to society..teachers, social workers, doctors,dentists, academics, estate agents, actors on corrie and all the other jobs in between?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/vat-private-school-fees-damage-nhs-pro-bono-lawyers-work-edinburgh-4818066

Just read this article and I wonder if all the unintended consequences of this policy have even been properly considered?

For those who choose to keep their children in the independent sector, it is naive to assume that all these people have tons of money sitting in their accounts ( some no doubt will but that’s no different to the general population) but as they have their individual reasons for their choice of education, I wonder how many of us will indirectly end up contributing to their 20% ?

According to the optimistic IFS figures, this tax would probably equate to 0.4 extra teachers per school if fully realised so I think I’ll much rather drive an old car and give my kids the education that I choose and the rest of my wider GB family the 20 percent. We will need all that and much more..of that much I am certain .

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Labraradabrador · 31/01/2025 22:16

Everybodywantstoruletheworld2025 · 31/01/2025 21:46

I am glad you observe my valid points. You raise zero valid points in this rambling reply of yours!

I am not against private schools I just don’t agree with your rhetoric that state education is as bad as you make out as it is not my experience or my DC’s experience.

Have any of your children been to state schools?

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We started in state schools and it was pretty awful. If you have good state schools and a child who is thriving, count yourself as lucky. My experience of state might be different than yours but it is just as valid, and unfortunately my experience is not unique - there are daily threads here about how the state education system is not meeting the needs of children.

Everybodywantstoruletheworld2025 · 01/02/2025 12:11

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Everybodywantstoruletheworld2025 · 01/02/2025 12:14

Labraradabrador · 31/01/2025 22:16

We started in state schools and it was pretty awful. If you have good state schools and a child who is thriving, count yourself as lucky. My experience of state might be different than yours but it is just as valid, and unfortunately my experience is not unique - there are daily threads here about how the state education system is not meeting the needs of children.

If you had read my posts you would have realized we too paid for private school due to a failing we perceived for our DC in a foreign state school. The difference is we paid for the private school happily and did not feel the need to denounce the entire state school system.

Labraradabrador · 01/02/2025 12:23

@Everybodywantstoruletheworld2025 There are plenty of people in the state system, including many teachers, who find the system pretty broken. 🤷‍♀️ Not sure why you think it isn’t okay to talk about state once you leave that system? We should all care about the state of state education, which unfortunately isn’t great for many people in many places

strawberrybubblegum · 01/02/2025 13:34

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strawberrybubblegum · 01/02/2025 14:20

Everybodywantstoruletheworld2025 · 01/02/2025 12:14

If you had read my posts you would have realized we too paid for private school due to a failing we perceived for our DC in a foreign state school. The difference is we paid for the private school happily and did not feel the need to denounce the entire state school system.

Presumably the government there weren't destroying their educational system by closing inexpensive and successful education programmes, simply because they had the wrong political label....

... and also weren't implementing policies whose aim was to
a) close some alternative education provision
b) deliberately reduce parents ability to use what's left (with no balancing benefit to anyone)

...and as a result overload the already creaking existing state provision, making it worse for everyone.

Why do you think we shouldn't criticise Labour education policy?

Do you think Our Great Leaders shouldn't be questioned by mere mortals?

strawberrybubblegum · 01/02/2025 14:26

Unless you lived in Greece in 2015, in which case I have no idea why you didn't complain.

Froginpot · 08/02/2025 09:44

For reference this was the actual quote in the original post

“The reality is in general the trend in the UK has been for lower and lower academic attainment and the UK educational system ( including a respectable segment of the university system ) is now sadly mediocre at best. And this is directly going to have a significant influence on the long term trajectory of post brexit Britain.”

It is interesting how many people read this to mean “ private schools are better than state schools” Probably Freudian but definitely very telling.

Critical analysis is a buzzword in all of the educational sector now probably more than it has ever been in my lifetime but I think we have all learned to listen and read less attentively. Or perhaps we are not open minded and immersed in echo chambers.. who knows?

No one defended their uni either ..
Anyways I am off.. wishing you all the best.. This was my first mumsnet post and it was illuminating ..happy mummying mumsnetters ..your success is important to all of us as a society.

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