How many kids do you know definitely leaving private for state?

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I'd be very interested to know how many children people know of who are definitely leaving their private school for a state school - not people with plans to do so in future years, solely those definitely going now / in 2025.
For myself - large Scottish all years school, I only have knowledge of my early primary kids's classes - no-one leaving so far (but I'm guessing early primary may be less affected as Labour have been signalling this policy for a while so you wouldn't start if you couldn't afford VAT).

Please name UK state schools where the participation in Saturday fixtures is compulsory.

And we also have the Electoral Commission whose stated aim is to "work to promote public confidence in the democratic process and ensure its integrity". Who go to significant, on-going efforts to prevent fraud.

Silly me. The existence of governing bodies are only proof of wrong-doing when they govern Evil Private Schools. Absolutely nothing-to-see-here when they govern The Good Guys.

Innocent until proven guilty?

Note that none of the private school parents jumped to the condemnatory conclusion that it might be the state schools not willing to play with the state schools (and made that accusation without verifying it)

Just that that might be a good reason for a lack of matches.

Well, quite. Previous wrong doings and malpractice often lead to the establishment of independent bodies to provide guidance and oversight.

It’s hard to argue that’s a bad thing.

Literally nobody has argued that's a bad thing.

You were the one who brought up the existence of the Charity Commission, snidely said that it was created due to misappropriation of funds by educational charities in the 19th century, and implied that this meant that there was still wrong-doing.

When that obviously doesn't remotely follow.

none of the private school parents jumped to the condemnatory conclusion that it might be the state schools not willing to play with the* *private schools.

Mistyped.

I was at a state boarding grammar. We had school on Saturday mornings and then Saturday afternoons were matches.

Iirc we played the private schools on Saturdays and the other state schools on Thursdays.

FWIW, DD's comp is part of the Southwark Schools Learning Partnership and there is a huge amount shared with the nearest private schools. From teaching sessions, full day workshops, sharing facilities. It works really well.

https://sslp.education/

I didn’t imply anything at all about the current financial affairs of private schools - that’s entirely your own interpretation.

The events that led up to the establishment of the Charity Commission is a matter of historical record.

Then why did you bring the Charity Commission into the discussion?

And my comment on the origins of the Charity Commission was in response to a PP saying:

Historically the 'public schools' were set up for boys whose parents couldn't afford private tutors, which was the norm for the elite. So it was charitable. Now an exclusive education is claimed to be 'charitable' because it is education - no matter how much it excludes.

So why exactly was it "worth noting" that the Charities Commission was originally set up due to reports of "the poor state of charitable education and the misappropriation of funds"

following a comment that present day private school "is claimed to be 'charitable' because it is education." Italics mine. Quote marks part of the original comment (casting doubt on charitable nature of current schools).

What possible other reason is there for your comment unless you're linking historic wrong-doing with imagined current wrong-doing?

Given that:

(a) it was on the back of discussions on the fulfilment (or otherwise) of the charitable obligations of private schools

(b) the PP had commented that public schools had originally been established to educate the poor as a charitable endeavour

(c) the mismanagement of those original charitable public schools (although some were deliberately excluded from scrutiny) led to the establishment of the Charity Commission and this is a statement of historical fact

I made no comparisons to current private or public schools and any implications about the financial affairs of current private schools are entirely your own interpretation.

I’ll leave you to ponder on it.

Exactly.
"we think private schools are just pretending to be charities"

"they initially were charitable. But now they're 'claimed' to be charitable just because they're education"

"its worth noting that they were misappropriating funds in the 19th century"

Obvious implication: even then they weren't decent charities. No wonder they're 'claiming' to be charities now.

All I'm pondering is that I'm completely fed up of people setting up private schools as the bogey man. If you could make an effigy of private schools, they'd probably burn it in the streets on the 5th.

Engage your brain. It's populism. Stop making up justifications after you've had an emotional response to a dog whistle.

My girls at a private school played a state school at netball last week. HTH with some random anecdote. I think this is the way this thread works?

You're probably lying @Shambles123

And if you're not, it was a once off

And if it wasn't, they did it for their own good anyway.

You can always find 'reasons' why the private school is the bad guy.

Lying? WTF? Im not - jeez this thread is crap.

Of course I believe you @Shambles123 And I know that it was just a normal, mutually beneficial and fun, match.

I'm being sarcastic about how this thread - and this whole debate always goes. As evidenced by this post yesterday.

You're right, it is crap.

I think you're getting slightly hysterical now as you are the one escalating the nonsense and jumping on people's points as irrelevant. If you think they're irrelevant, let them go, don't write 8 posts about them and and break out the bold fonts.

The state school matches point was about private schools including it as community outreach which I think is disingenuous. My point began with actual figures from Independent schools on how many schools did this and how many didn't. No need to for random anecdotes.

I have no idea why the charity commission aside has touched such a raw nerve but you seem intent on derailing this thread because you don't like to be challenged.

Every single one of these threads involves people resorting to patronising insults and cries of foul play. It's really not a good look.

I'm not claiming private schools are the bad guy, I am merely disputing that they are the heroes you claim.

When the crap is left to stand unchallenged, people internalised it and then repeat it as fact.

Private school parents have tried pointing things out rationally. The type of justification cascade I gave above gets spouted. Because none of this populist vilification of private schools has anything to do with rational facts.

And no, your figures didn't say 'how many schools did this and how many didn't''. Go back and read it. It said how many state schools self-reported experiencing that. Which given that there are 13 times more students in state schools than private completely changes the meaning of the numbers. But who cares about facts, right? Much more fun to be morally superior.

I'm just fucked off with the bullshit, and I really don't care whether it's a good look or not.

When you unfairly attack a certain group of people (come on, nobody has justified why this tax shouldn't be based on income so that those wealthy state school parents pay for the state benefit they're using), then don't expect them not to lash out and fight. Having read many of these threads, I really will take some comfort from private school parents taking the best state school places at the next natural entry point.

@strawberrybubblegum the figures I quoted were from this report that Araminta cited where Independent Schools reported their own evidence of outreach.

And if you'd read the thread you will know that those children will be welcomed with open arms.

So I'm delighted with your comfort.

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Every single one of these threads involves people resorting to patronising insults and cries of foul play. It's really not a good look.

Accusing a poster as you did of becoming ‘slightly hysterical’ is a very patronising insult.