Labour advised to finish closing all grammars

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Advice currently being given to Labour by same group that support VAT on private schools.

It seriously isn’t. Not for government purposes, not for statistical purposes and not according to common sense! The North is the NE, the NW, Yorkshire and the Humber. After that, you are literally in the middle of the country. Of course, I’m a Geordie so as far as I’m concerned, the North really starts in Scotch Corner but having lived in Manchester for a number of years now, I have to grudgingly accept that it qualifies as the North (just not the True North 🤣😉)

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow It is champagne socialism to boast about being in a state school while spending a fortune on a house and at the same time boasting about your working class credentials. Most of these people buy advantage, avoid the working class like the plague and smugly drive expensive electric cars that cost double the wages of a teacher.

Which is exactly what half of the cabinet who trumpet their "state education" do.

The Righf is more honest in this regard. You mostly know there’s no pretending.

Why would they be boasting?

I inherited a house in one of these areas. It wasn’t an area like that when it was bought in 1948.

No one brags about anything. They are all very quiet. Am l a Champagne Socialist because l inherited here?😂

Most of the people on my road are elderly. They don’t go to state schools.

The north starts at the M4
just saying

They would all become non-selective state schools rather than selective state schools. No changes in number of overall places available.

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Isn't it anything north of Watford?

@OvertutoredMum North of Watford Gap I thought!

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow People continually virtue signal - or boast. They let you know they are labour but have very expensive houses and very expensive electric cars. Lucky you if you inherited your wealth. We worked for ours. People who don’t need to work much (or in low paying jobs) due to a huge inheritance can probably afford labour and electric cars!

What to? As far as I'm aware it's still the Royal Grammar School or RGS

https://www.pepf.co.uk/opinion/the-labour-party-should-complete-its-unfinished-education-revolution/

The person who wrote the piece is head of a 11-16 academy in a grammar area so is self interested? Probably struggling with behaviour of pupils/hiring teachers?

PEPF have another piece on how teachers go private because it is less stressful (apparently 15000 since 2014). And how dare they if tge tax payer trained them at some cost?!

Well guys it’s a free world out there and start treating your state teachers better and maybe fine the parents who don’t play ball/are abusive and unsupportive, for example.@OvertutoredMum

All of the VAT and anti grammar stuff is essentially to try and blackmail teachers to move back into state comp? Will it work? I doubt it. It is going to be very dumb if more kids end up in these schools due to VAT and even more teachers quit. Is that not a real tangible risk?

I didn’t inherit ‘wealth’

I inherited half a house that was the same price as other areas when it was bought.

One approach to improving overall teaching conditions could be to redistribute resources. By creating a more balanced student profile across schools, to ensure a fairer allocation of resources and experienced teachers. This would lead to a more balanced workload and teaching environment, ultimately benefiting schools in more challenging areas?

Apologies, I had heard a rumour but it seems that’s all it was!

I never said that they didn’t exist in the North. Where did I actually say that? I also didn’t say that people in the North didn’t know the difference between state and private. You decided that I said that and kept going on about it. I AM NORTHERN. In many parts of the North those schools with grammar in the title are private schools so if you say your child is going to grammar, people assume you mean private school. I have also lived in other areas of the country and I have experienced the greater choice that other areas have education wise. Of the 160+ state grammars that still exist, there are five across the counties of Yorkshire, with most being inaccessible to those living in the heavily populated areas. There are a reasonable number in parts of the NW but the MAJORITY are in the Midlands and the South. And even that the Midlands is skewed by Lincolnshire being a full grammar county. The heavily populated areas of the Midlands don’t have state grammar schools. This is something that I am incredibly passionate about, having been let down by “comprehensive” education myself and having a DS whose results throughout his schooling that have put him in the top 1% nationally. I want more children like him to have the opportunities he has had, not less. I am prepared to protest if Labour try to turn his school into a comp. And I actually mean protest in the streets. Not because it will impact my son (it won’t, he’s too far through his education for that) but for other people’s children.

labtest - I checked last night too as a sibling went there and no name change as far as I can see.....

We have always had a complicated picture of state schooling in the UK since about the 1880s as church schools I think owned or own their own land and buildings but the state funds the rest of it and some areas didn't have Catholic or C of E schools or not very many of them so that different already was there and add to the mix things like the newish academy schools which I think only exist if someone sets one up or converts and some areas of England with grammars and others not you have a very mixed picture. Even in the NE where we were almost anyone could get into the local Catholic school near my house in not a great area whereas down h ere in London people almost have to baptise the child at birth, play a huge part in the life of the church, sign up for mass every week and still might not get a place (even though I think the Oratory was forced by a court to admit more non Catholics or something like that) .,.. all very complicated and some areas have state boarding schools and others not although I suppose anyone who can afford the boarding fee part of that could use those wherever they live and then where I live in London we have all kinds of unusual schools including a local hindu primary school and muslim and jewish state schools.

I doubt it will happen. There was plenty of time for Labour to do it under Tony Blair.

And there have been plenty of opportunities for the Tory government to undo it, and they haven't.

Reread what i said. Note the words disadvantaged. Thank you.

@Xenia Only Voluntary Aided schools traditionally own their land and buildings. Most CofE are Controlled but might be a CofE MAT. The LA will have paid for the buildings as many old ones were replaced. Hugely complicated though. All teachers in these schools are paid for by the state. The churches have Education advisers and they influence the curriculum and work with LAs on school planning and take new schools into their MATs. So it’s been a growth area for them.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow Even if you inherited half a house, that’s unearned wealth. You cannot inherit social housing. You therefore have wealth which can be in your will and passed on.

Thanks - yes it was voluntary aided I was thinking about but don't know much about it all. We certainly have in some areas vastly differe4nt kinds of schools.

If Labour continues the Tory plan to do a list of children not in school (which is proposed) I hope that does not lead to measures against home schooling

@Xenia Not sure how closely LAs monitor home schooling now. We used to visit and advise but some parents won’t allow any visits. That raises alarm bells.