Labour advised to finish closing all grammars

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Advice currently being given to Labour by same group that support VAT on private schools.

My local area would not be able to accommodate the THOUSANDS of places needed in comprehensive schools so that’s a non starter.

Surely the number of schools wouldn't need to change. They just wouldn't be academically selective anymore.

Don’t be dense. They would still be state school, just not academically selective.

Well, I’ve had kids in private for 15 years and strongly opposed the VAT. Not many people gave a shit, so they’ll have to forgive me for not giving a shit when their grammars get fucked.

well, that doesn't happen, the grammar school simply becomes a comprehensive

I agree as we are Indy sector. Many posters who send their DC to grammars though welcomed VAT policy. Wonder if they feel the same now?

I should have clarified myself better. There are thousands of kids migrating OUT of the area for grammar. If they all become comps and base entry on catchment then how do they decide which children need to travel away because that is the situation we’d have here.

Tough. That’s what people said when they came for private VAT. I’m sure “they’ll adapt” to grammar closures. Just like they said for private kids who’ll have to leave.

When grammars originally started being ended they became comprehensives - so the pupils at the school are the same. It’s just the new intake that is mixed.

That said I don’t think Starmer will do it. Loads of those grammar parents vote for him whilst “humbly” using these excellent state school and vilifying private.

Ahhhh we can all fail together, hip hip hooray!!

Yes indeed. That’s what the people voted for. (Not me!)

It will reduce house prices in Marlow (and other places around the UK) if the grammars become a normal comprehensive.

Most parts of the UK haven’t had these schools for decades so most people won’t care i imagine

The grammar just becomes a comp, the pupils don't have to vacate the building.

Ah yes the British speciality: race to the bottom in a competitive global landscape. My kids will keep going private. Don’t care about the VAT increase.

but the children already there are already in grammar classes, and they will remain grammar classes. And the new year 7 intake will be comprehensive, and people will apply to local school

🙄😴

This is not happening and is just scaremongering. Bigger fish to fry atm than this

People will get schools based on admission criteria.
So the kids who would have travelled out of area get the more l8cal schools, whose catchment shrinks, and at the periphery kids who couldn't go to their local school as it was selective now can.
Quite a 'green' policy really.

PEPF advise Labour so don't be too sure

Research shows grammars underperform compared to comps.

The reason parents like grammars is they are socially selective, it is OK to be honest about it.

I went to a funeral yesterday of a university professor who'd been a very active Labour party activist, as were his children. At the funeral, the eulogy included how he'd been the son of an Irish immigrant labourer, father died at a very young age, mother was basically skint and had to earn a living doing scivvy jobs, but he was bright and got a grammar school place, which gave him a lifelong love of "education for education's sake" then going to Uni, getting a science degree and spending a lifetime of University lecturing and research. Made it crystal clear that the grammar school was the making of him, a belief which he maintained throughout his lifetime of supporting the Labour party! It was said he regularly and bitterly complained about the closure and dismantling of the grammar school system which changed his life and he was all for bringing them back! So it's not really a Labour versus Tory battle!

well, yes, the transfer of a grammar school to a comprehensive schools will take 7 years. And even longer really, as the grammar culture will prevail even with the comprehensive intake, for a while

Our local Grammar are for the richer folk who can afford the 2-3 years of tutoring to get their kids in, no local private schools.

It is. Labour demanded closure of grammars in the 60s. The ones that have persisted have largely done so due to local conservatives refusing to close them. It’s totally a lab v con thing.