AIBU - to think Year 10's will of has the worst Education

[Endoftether2000]

Current Year 10's have missed out proportionately on Year 7 and Year 9 and practically all of Year 8. Teachers are now striking so proportionately on Year 10. AIBU to believe there will be no concessions for this Year Educationally. Missed education Concessions as I understand it come to an end this Year? Do I agree with Teachers striking not really, proportionately their Pension benefits for working in education will far exceed anybody in the private sector on the same Salaries, why is this never pointed out and why do they not get this?

the current year 13's who have sat no public exams since SATS in year 6, and were the first poor sods to even sit those.

KS2 SATS have been around since 1993.

Thank you for taking the time to not acknowledge a single word I've explained in my post and continuing to
push the false agenda about teachers' pensions. You've prove my point about people being completely unwilling to believe or accept the truth of the situation when presented by teachers.

OP you're talking about the pension like we are going to be driving around in Ferraris eating in fancy restaurants. Yes, the teacher pension scheme is Relatively good (it used to be better) but as a new teacher you're looking at 30 years plus of unmanageable behaviour and workload. In a cost of living crisis, after a decade of real terms pay cuts, I can barely afford my pension contributions. Let's not even get into what the world will look like in 30 years time with our absolute inaction on climate issues. So no, it's not ok.

The current SATs are entirely different from the ones that assessed the original national curriculum. Different, badly designed and almost completely useless for secondary schools.

@Postapocalypticcowgirl I just can't understand this. Why on earth is it set up that way? What's the purpose? I can't think of any other European countries that do this. I know 2, and to pass you need I get X amount of marks. I feel the UK system just sets kids up to fail. For what purpose? Even if every child in England did really well, there would still be some that fail. It's insane.

LyndaLaHughes apologies I was travelling so could not use me phone. If I was one of you Teachers posting, I would be checking my union website to check I was getting the correct pay scale. Spanieleyes I would be verifying you pension figures. All of you that are calling out my friends unfortunately they are all Senior Leaders and two do manage more than 1 school. Believing me makes no difference to this outcome. Reading everyone's comments I have come to the conclusion that the system is in Special Measures and is failing all you Teachers. I agree now with you striking whether it is an added impact to this age group of Year 10s or not. I understand that not all schools are equal and are inundated with localized problems regarding behavior and parental support, disparity in funding etc . I think if you think you can make a difference by striking then I agree with you. I just hope my child is cleverer enough to achieve what they deserve to achieve with all this upheaval and to all you parents that have their own concerns with whatever year, age group. Thank you for changing my out look. Finally the poster regarding Scottish Universities apologies part of my family are Scottish and told their children it was cheaper for them to study in Scotland as what fees were funded my bad.

@Endoftether2000

You've been doing this throughout the thread: admitting you were posting from an uninformed position but compounding your errors with further nonsense. We all know our pay grades, thank you, and we receive regular email updates from the excellent Teacher Pension service, letting us know how our pensions are doing. You've also tried to justify your lie about your 'friends'. Originally they were just teachers who had got to £60-£100K (improbably) quickly. Now they're executive heads - presumably after you've researched the very few circumstances in which individuals could earn the figures you claimed. Stop lying. Combined with your dreadful use of English, it's making you appear stupid.

Hobbi the only comment I would have is that regardless of your thoughts and opinions they still have Teacher in their role titles???I really have no reason to lie. But whatever... the pay scales are in the public domain.

Rather than admit you're wrong (deliberately or otherwise) you're choosing to accuse every teacher on the thread of not knowing what grade they should be on or what their pension situation is. Yes, the grades are in the public domain - that's what gave you the false confidence to try and back up your ridiculous examples.

I think the OPs inability to write a coherent sentence might be an issue.

Hobbi the only thing I did was point out that they still have Teacher in their titles. If you choose to believe I lied that is your perogative.

No, you said they got to 60-100k quickly and implied that was normal. You also said teachers were on a final salary pension. You also linked to an article that was full of utter fabrications. You accused every teacher on the thread of not understanding their own pay and pension situation. All totally inaccurate. You've introduced, 'they have teacher in their job titles' very recently, having realised your claims are easily spotted as ridiculous.

Hobbi you have enlightened stupid me to my errors of judgement on information from sites such as the NUT, NASWT, the Telegraph and Pension wise. You and your fellow teachers will of course know more about your occupation than I ever will.

Last attempt to get sense: do you admit you were wrong about the pensions or are you still claiming it's a final salary scheme and average pension is £46000? Do you confess to suggesting teachers could get to £60-£100K quite quickly and that it wouldn't be unusual? Do you admit to advising all the teachers on the thread to check their grades and to your ignorance about our regular communications from the pension scheme? Just those questions please, no more ludicrous goalpost moving.

EndofTether2000
I don't know any teachers on 60 000. I am at the top of the teaching scale and earn 43. Your pension figures are therefore crap.

She knows three on up to £100k apparently. Took them no time, it's quite ordinary. Are you sure you're on the correct grade?

@Hobbi they wont confess to anything as I think they may just be trying to be goofy. It does worry me the lack of understanding and the perpetuating myth that teachers are still on a final salary pension. No understanding of the large contribution teachers pay in either and that if they want to carry on teaching rather than move on to leadership then their top salary will never reach the 60000 levels 🙄

@tiredhadenough

Most leadership roles get much less than that anyway, let alone £100K. The part of my pension that is on the average salary calculation is pretty poor considering my contributions and bearing in mind the the TPS is a very well-managed fund.

Hobbi
I must contact payroll and ask them to immediately transfer me to this fast track 60 000 teaching career. I am such a fool.

I'm surprised you're not on it. Everyone else is. Until we all retire at 50 on 130% of our average salaries. I'm telling the union to pack it in, nothing to see here.

@Endoftether2000

I check my pension forecast every month! Still says £13000

Thank you. That is appreciated and I'm glad you've taken it on board.
With regards to our pay scales- we used to have set pay scales that you progressed through automatically and transferred from school to school. A few years ago the government abolished this and brought in performance related pay- pretending it was to pay better teachers more but actually it was to stop teachers getting paid more and allow schools to
pay less and not move teachers up the scales. No teacher actually gets paid more and rewarded under this system. Quite the opposite. It was a guise to cut salaries and limit pay progression as much as possible to save money. School budgets have been cut so much that many teachers, despite meeting performance management targets, will not see their scale point increased because schools just cannot afford to pay it. Schools now no longer have to pay a teacher moving their current salary so moving schools often may result in a pay cut. Teachers know exactly what pay scale they should be on- actually getting paid it is another matter. This is just another example of how the Conservatives have totally shafted teachers. They also did this when they decimated the pensions and changed the rules around those.
The Conservatives have treated teachers despicably for years. The contempt is clear again now when every other striking body has been negotiated with (and fully funded offers made) but the Education Secretary is completely refusing to engage with the unions and lied repeatedly that the offer made of 5% was funded. Only 0.5% of it was funded - if it was funded, then teachers would have accepted it. But schools cannot afford to find the remaining 4.5% out of budgets that are already bust.