AIBU - to think Year 10's will of has the worst Education

[Endoftether2000]

Current Year 10's have missed out proportionately on Year 7 and Year 9 and practically all of Year 8. Teachers are now striking so proportionately on Year 10. AIBU to believe there will be no concessions for this Year Educationally. Missed education Concessions as I understand it come to an end this Year? Do I agree with Teachers striking not really, proportionately their Pension benefits for working in education will far exceed anybody in the private sector on the same Salaries, why is this never pointed out and why do they not get this?

By that measure, kids in Reception next year will be hardest hit because they will be hit even harder by teacher shortages until they reach year 11 compared to our kids coming to an end of their secondary education.

You've forgotten that not everyone has been equally hit by the strikes. Schools round here have been open for years 11-13 and not all teachers are in the striking union. There's a danger that all teaching unions plus headteachers and support staff could strike in the autumn so next year's year 11 could be even more affected than this year's.

@Noodledoodledoo I agree with you. In my DDs Y10 the main problems seem to be around socialisation and behaviour. She has an EHCP so we have regular contact with the senco and she tells me that they're seeing a lot of friendship and behaviour problems they'd expect from y8 or maybe y9, not the end of y10.
These Y10s don't realise that though and they want to act their age but don't have the experience in managing many of the consequences of their actions and many are quite vulnerable to being coerced. It's not really what you'd expect from kids who are soon going to be 16.

Just seen that your title says year 10. Apologies

Every year group has lost out in different ways. People need to stop thinking that one year group is worse off than another.

Hang on Hobbit I will see if I can screen shot or attach link.

Not sure but judging by the grammar and punctuation in your thread title it looks like you did, OP.

https://www.ii.co.uk/analysis-commentary/top-10-jobs-pensions-ii512709 hope this link works hobbi.

If you genuinely care about your children's education then please read the posts on here where teachers explain exactly the reasons they are striking- these are many of them. What you've said about teacher's "final salary pension" is utter nonsense. Teachers do not get a final salary pension anymore and haven't for years- plus teachers have to make hefty contributions towards their pensions too.
The salary is not comparable to other similarly qualified professionals yet the workload and hours are far worse. Teachers do the most unpaid overtime of ANY profession. Teachers are leaving for a multitude of reasons. To be quite frank, one of those reasons is the fact that vast swathes of the general population make incorrect assumptions about what the job entails and completely refuse to accept it when teachers say how utterly crap the job has become.
School funding has been cut to the bone- teachers have always bought their own resources for classes but now they are having to buy basics like pen and paper.
The workload is insane- and just because you've seen similar resources previously doesn't tell you anything about workload. I worked two 17 hour days last week preparing for an inspection (which I was already prepared for- but entailed specific preparation asked for by the inspectors). I have reports to write currently which will take at least 3 days of my half term. I have 8 individual health care plans to write for SEN children in my class and then each needs an at least twenty minute appointment with a parent to discuss it. (This happens three times per year, separate to parents' evenings) I also have four annual reviews coming up for my EHCP children which all require a two page separate report and then an hour meeting with parents. Add to this a stationary order for my class, changing multiple displays (down each half term- not just in class but across the general areas of the school) admin and paperwork, curriculum documents, dealing with day to day parent enquiries and uploading bits to google classroom. Also parents' evenings which is an at least 10 min appt per child plus the stragglers that ask for another appointment on another day which adds even more extra time. I also have a trip I need to write risk assessment for, do a practice visit to check out the venue and prepare all the admin for that. This is before I even include the marking of 90 books per day, planning and resourcing for at least 3 lessons per day. The same resources cannot be used as a) I'm in a different year group to previously B) the class I am in is much weaker than the previous cohort and so the lessons from last year would not work. Also dealing with behavioural issues and general queries, concerns from my children. Let's also add in real duties, the hours spent if there is a safeguarding concern and uploading any concerns to the school online recording system. ALL DONE OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL DAY. I have PPA of 1.5 hours per week but this is invariably interrupted by an issue occurring in my class. 30 minutes is also taken up with a meeting for a group of pupil leaders I am in charge of. This is also before I start on the subject I lead where I have to create evidence documents and support all the staff in teaching it- including new ones who I need to help plan every single week. We also have students in who need support.
To cap this all off- you then have constant mock ofsteds and observations and your books being checked constantly. Parents and children can both be incredibly difficult. My colleague was hit repeatedly with a ruler by a child last week and nothing will be done about it because schools have been told they cannot exclude children. There is no money for the pastoral support, therapy etc that was previously in place so children's behaviour and mental health is at an all time low. We are feeding children and helping their parents with housing. My school has its own food bank. I haven't even included the full list of all the unseen tasks teachers have to do that parents do not realise. This is why she teachers say those who have not done the job really don't get it- because it's true. You cannot comprehend what it entails.
40,000 teachers left last year. They've just missed the Secondary teacher recruitment target again but this time they've only got 47% of the trainees they need. My daughter is missing teachers in key subject areas all year , being taught by a series of supply teachers or non specialists. One of her teachers got signed off with stress and has now left teaching. A fantastic teacher- broken by the current system. A story being repeated all too often.
James O'Brien hit a chord when he said that parents trust teachers to look after their most precious possession but don't trust them to tell the truth about their terms and conditions. That is spot on. We aren't all lying and none of us are afraid of hard work. But it really is that bad. People are either leaving or want to leave. The pressure and workload are horrendous and you'd think alarm bells would ring when the HT killed heralded over Ofsted. She's not the first, she won't be the last. Ofsted makes a huge amount of paperwork evidence collecting etc for schools. We have to photograph and evidence everything we are doing. There is no trust, no treating teachers as professionals and no respect.
Education is in crisis- THAT is why teachers are striking and this government has utterly destroyed Education during their tenure. Please listen and stop making assumptions about what is happening. Unless you work in a school, you really have no idea how hard it is at present.

@minisoksmakehardwork I do think the kids who were in nursery- y1 were hugely effected, and that's reflected in the massive increase in speech and language issues for that cohort. It is an age where you develop speech at a huge speed, and when SALT input works best. I think those who were in Y3-7 when lockdown happened, probably had it best.
However it's all personal really. The level of support each person had was so different. It's hard to generalise, but I do feel for the youngest, and the oldest in education, by an large it's been the toughest.

I see your point actually. The younger ones missed out on an awful lot of just socialisation which would impact their language skills.

@Endoftether2000
I like the way that you've made the title illustrate the subject matter!

The point I was making is the concessions for the Grading finishes this Year, so anybody that was above Year 10 had additional support and Grade concessions

But everyone is in the same boat. All the year 10s will be under the same system. And they do generally end up with having x% reaching grade 4, x% getting grade 7 and so on - so in the end it probably won't mean much difference to normal.

Does it not bother you that the pay offer was not fully funded by the Government?
This means the pay increase would need to come out of your child's existing school budget. This then means there is less money for other resources - which will affect pupils, such as your child. There will be less money for books, pens, PE and IT equipment, TA support, cleaning and maintenance, cover staff, etc.

Teachers are striking for fully funded pay increases, as well as some other aspects.

Why wouldn't you support teachers wanting their pay increases to be fully funded by the Government?
Why would you rather pay increases had to come out of the existing budget?

Key part is a teacher leaving on a £60K a year salary. I am 4 days a week, FTE £32K 'just' a teacher as I have no responsibilities, if I did it would increase my salary by about £2-4K. This is with 14 years experience - I have 1 pay point I can increase by and that's it. Can't see how I will double my salary in 14 years.

Nowhere in this link does it mention final salary pensions for teachers. It has been career average for many years. The link also describes expected pension for a teacher on £60K - not anything like a typical salary. The actual average pension for a teacher is between 10 and 20K. I see the link uses data from the Daily Express and is, predictably, full of extreme examples and outright lies.

@Noodledoodledoo

Don't worry, I've dug a bit deeper and the link is just a fanciful version of a Daily Express article, slating pubic sector workers. If it were true it would be even more horrifying that we have such a retention problem.

Y11s are really struggling here, high rate of absenteeism.

I have Y13 child, he is struggling with not having done exams in Y11

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/pensions-retirement/news/teachers-pay-strike-public-sector-pension-cost/ Telegraph?

@Endoftether2000 How have you gone from complaining your Y10 isn't going to get any extra exam help, to slating teachers? Don't you think teachers are a crucial part of your child succeeding? Happy employees don't strike or leave their jobs in droves. Your child is unlikely to do well without happy teachers, however much they are in school.

I'm not subscribing to the Telegraph just to read more extreme, disingenuous or plainly fictitious nonsense about teachers pensions. It isn't a final salary scheme and the average income is about half what you were claiming. It also is well-managed, makes a profit and is self-funding so the whole thing shouldn't concern anyone else. You obviously have good reason to resent those who were burdened with the responsibility for your education, but I'm afraid we do the best with the often inferior materials we are given.

“ I think the Higher Education System has become a money making racket!”

It really, really hasn’t. Fees have been flat for years. Costs have not.

Happy to say that the government should do more to fund those fees, but Unis are not raking it in.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/pensions-retirement/news/public-sector-pension-pocket-increase-twice-pay-rise/

https://www.ucu.org.uk/article/12483/Use-spare-cash-and-scrap-vanity-projects-to-invest-in-university-staff-UCU-says#:~:text=In%202020%2F21%2C%20universities%20generated,39.6bn%20in

SheilaFentiman

Given that a third of teachers quit within 5 years and we’ve seen a drop in the number of teachers over 50 (we have one of the youngest teaching workforces in the OECD) it seems pretty safe to claim that the pension, however good, isn’t doing much to keep teachers in the job, and will be worth not very much on retirement.

@noblegiraffe Aren't a lot of the experienced teachers managed out too as they're too expensive? I imagine very few get this 'amazing' pension.

And more than that, many older teachers on higher salaries will be managed out of their jobs as they are simply too expensive to keep on.