Let’s do a new “things parents have blamed teachers for “

[Theos]

I’ll start. ALL MENTAL HEALTH. Our fault.
all lost items - our fault.

No I'm not giving any label, I'm giving a cause.We don't need a label to help children in distress. If you sit there and think you can't help a child because they do not have a diagnosis then that is a shame on you.

I know quite a bit about it thank you, you do not know what I know! What is scientific about a label? Please explain where the science comes into it? I already said I can help a child without a diagnosis, shame you can't and would sit and look at a child for months before doing anything to help....because you can't help without a diagnosis.

fairypeasant
Tells me a lot about what you think about teachers. We're not in the 70s now you know! Maybe do the same and keep your 'theory' away from children too!

Of course I don't do that, don't be so ridiculous, you are just trying to misdirect again.

A label/a cause/a diagnosis - all just semantics really. What I object to is the fact that you are trying to help children while making no effort to understand just why they need help. "It is all trauma" you say. In the meantime you have no clear idea what the real issues may be.

Your mind is closed and that does not help.

Childhood mental health problems may be the result of trauma. Or they may not. If you cared enough you'd try to understand that.

My three dc each had a friend over for tea the other day and we had spaghetti bolognaise. Not of the friends knew how to eat spaghetti without cutting it up into small pieces. My DH taught them how to twirl it whilst I composed a very strongly worded email to the head of their school about adding it to the curriculum. Fortunately the head agreed with me so we didn't need to take it any further.

The point is I am the one who is trying to find out why....the issues if not clear are investigated to try and help. Saying oh they have anxiety is not finding on why at all, that is finding out any of the issues.

I had a child in my class, had an awful early childhood, was in lots of distress. The cause was clear - trauma and lots of it. What did she need? Help. Sadly she didn't get that as someone gave her a label and then said she didn't need help.

@WeeWillyWinkie9 The reason people look for a diagnosis is to receive help. To try to understand what the problems are and to get tailored assistance.
It doesn't always work out as it should but that's the aim. If the child with a 'label' you mention didn't get assistance, that's because someone didn't know what they were doing unfortunately.

It doesn't work out but it also means that this child is now currently being abused and her abuse is excused because anything she says about it is dismissed as her mental health issues. She is being sexually abused now but her label prevents anyone helping her. That to me is not ok.

I assume you're joking!

Nobody would think this is ok. I would take things further if you believe this to be the case.

I do understand what you mean to a point. Sometimes, when a child has a diagnosis, co-morbid conditions or issues aren't investigated fully as they are dismissed as simply being part of the diagnosis. My DC's OCD wasn't addressed properly because his repetitive behaviours could be thought to be part of his autism, but only if you didn't know him well. As I said, it means someone isn't doing their job properly (which is all too common when resources are stretched as much as they are unfortunately).

To help a child or adult fully you really need to understand them as much as possible. To claim everything is trauma - when not everything is - shows some unwillingness to do this on your part too I feel.

BessieFinkNottle
I've taken it further and what happened.....excuses, excuses, excuses. That was from the authorities. We know it is happening. The child told us outright. Sadly her diagnosis prevented any help from reaching her and it always will prevent it now as that label is forever.

To help a child you do need to understand them and a diagnosis of anxiety doesn't help me at all understand that child. It tells me nothing that I didn't know before and also doesn't change the help I give.

@WeeWillyWinkie9
Would a diagnosis of asd change the help you give?

@WeeWillyWinkie9 would an underlying chromosomal disorder, or other physical disorder, be allowed to be diagnosed and relevant in your world? Or is it just mental illness you stigmatise? What about childhood schizophrenia? What about focal epilepsy? Will you allow those labels?

Every child deserves an individual approach. Every child deserves a correct diagnosis if it applies. Whether that diagnosis is neurological, psychological, genetic, or what. Or even trauma.

You're still trying to deflect from having to justify your crap that "all mental illness is trauma".

I would do the very same things with a child who needs something diagnosis or no diagnosis. I wouldn't wait for a diagnosis before helping a child. So for example, if they found things were too loud then they could have ear defenders, I don't need a diagnosis for that do I? If they needed to chew on something, they would be given something as I have done with a child in my class. I bought a bag for him to help him because he needed it. He had no diagnosis but he needed help.

If something was physical then yes but a made up label I don't subscribe to, no. Every child deserves the help they need and I don't need a diagnosis to help a child. I just do.

The very fact that you keep using the term "mental health" as if it is a mental illness does rather seriously undermine the weight anyone can put on your views on this.

Sorry, can you clarify- physical diagnoses are ok, but mental illness diagnoses aren't? And you claim you're not stigmatising mental illness? Right... 🙄

Not really, it is a term that people use and are familiar with. I also used the word anxiety which is something I do not believe in but I know it is a commonly used term. It helps others understand as I wouldn't give it any label at all.

Mental health labels are made up and not based on anything scientific whereas physical ones are. You are the ones stigmatising by saying they are all ill whereas I do not see it as an illness. It isn't.

So mental illness doesn't exist, in your world?

Ok, I'm out of replying to you. Can't argue with that level of ignorance.

I'm guessing you've never met someone with severe mental illness.

🙄

I said people have normal responses, not that no one has any responses.

I've had severe responses myself and wanted to die after being raped. Is that the answer you wanted?

I think it’s unlikely that poster meets many people despite what they say.

Some people are best not given any attention really. Ignore and they’ll disappear eventually. 😉

I'm sorry you experienced trauma, and what sounds like mental ill-health after.

However, your experience isn't everyone's.

Do you believe in bipolar disorder? Schizophrenia? Dementia? Severe catatonic depression? Psychosis?

I'm sorry you had a terrible thing happen. You're still ignorant.