Does social class over power gender at attainment in schools?

[Emily19]

Hello,
I am currently studying on an access to Teacher Training course. I intend to research "Does social class over power gender at attainment in schools?".

Any Information given is completely confidential, if you require a copy of any work I have used, I will be more than happy to supply you with a copy. (In your opinion)

• What are your views on Social class affecting attainment in schools?

• What are your views on Gender affecting attainment in schools?

-Which do you think has the greater influence?

Many Thanks

So, on the one hand you teach in an independent school which is so selective that it only has 3 students with SEN and on the other these students' needs are so profound that they need 1:1 tuition all day every day while they are isolated from their peers

TBH, I don't know why I'm bothering. I'm not really sure I believe a word you say, Jabed. I'm certainly not convinced that you're really a teacher.

Eviltwins - I am not going to answer you because whatever I say will end in shock and horror and you shouldnt be in a classroom.

Suffice to say that things as I have described them are as they are where I work. My attitude is as I say.

I am not the only teacher not teaching SEN ( what few we have!) at A level ( and that includes dyslexics who are none existent in my school right now) .
We have few to no SEN of any kind most of the time. We do have a support dept for speical needs and statements etc. Yes, kids do get taught there. Mostly those of lower ability who need additional help. We do not have many . Behavioural difficulties we have none at all. We have had them but mostly they leave quite quickly.

The English, History, Geography Business, media and languages depts refuse outright to teach any special needs in any guise. Others say they will assess on individual cases. No one has actually had to teach them at A level.

These are not my policies. I may be relieved and even agree with them but I do not make the rules.

So, even more shock horror.

Do these children go on to achieve GCSEs and A Levels?

TBH, I don't know why I'm bothering. I'm not really sure I believe a word you say, Jabed. I'm certainly not convinced that you're really a teacher

TBH fivecandles I have great difficulty in believing you too. I cannot believe that any A level teacher likes teaching SEN in their A level groups. Its got to make a hard job harder if not well neigh impossible. I think you are full of saying what you think should be heard and not telling the truth there.

You sound like an NQT out of PGCE yesterday or someone applying for a job and saying what you think people want to hear at interview.
You lack any depth of understanding the reality of chalkface teaching as it is in schools these days. Its not me who is out of touch ( even though my school doesnt have the problems)

Do these children go on to achieve GCSEs and A Levels?

Mrz - they get GCSE's. None have ever gone on to A level as far as I am aware. They do vairous things - find jobs with parents, go to FE College and do BTech or some practical course.

They would struggle no matter how much help ( support) they were given if they attempted A level.

I know in my local independent schools pupils with SEN often leave after GCSE to transfer to state 6th form for A levels

I know in my local independent schools pupils with SEN often leave after GCSE to transfer to state 6th form for A levels

Mrz I pity their state school teachers if any have been like those I have seen in my school.

We get them ( parents pay) GCSE beyond their ability TBH. ( thats what my colleague was takling about when he said "We get thick kids GCSE's"
We do better than the state schools at that.

I know ( from my previous school where I did have a year groups whose targets were highly aspirational in any terms) that it is a hiding to nothing to try and get such kids thogh A level - with the best teachniques in the world.

Subjects where there is a strong element of coursework such as art and Home Ec for example might manage it with lots of support for the coursework. I know we have sometimes taken students on in art but the art dept dont like it either. Sometimes you just have to say " Look, this student isnt A level material".

Your school and individual teachers are almost certainly acting illegally in a blanket refusal to teach students with SEN.

'I cannot believe that any A level teacher likes teaching SEN in their A level groups. Its got to make a hard job harder if not well neigh impossible. I think you are full of saying what you think should be heard and not telling the truth there.'

Again, I've got to wonder if you understand what is actually meant by SEN?

Perhaps it would help if you explain what YOU THINK that term means.

I have already said that one of my most gifted students in one of my AS Level classes has dyslexia. He is an asset to my class and a pleasure to teach. He is on course to get an A grade.

However, I don't want to make generalisations about students with SEN as you are doing, Jabed. My students with SEN are INDIVIDUALS, some are hard to teach and some are easy to teach. In that respect they are no different from any other students.

The thought that you would refuse to teach a whole bunch of students with a huge range of abilities out of some small-minded and ignorant prejudice makes my blood boil.

sorry - techniques. Was going to say teaching , changed mind, came out teachniques.

fivecandles, no matter how gifted I would never take on a dyslexic in my subject. They simply wouldnt cope with the essays and amount of language skills involved.

I used to teach a specification where I could get dyslexics an AS but the problem was the jump between AS and A2 and the students would get grade A AS and then expect to carry on. It was just too much. ( I too have targets departmentally and personally and I am asked questions if I cannot meet them)

I am not sure my school is breaking any rule ( if they are its nothing to do with me) . We are an independent school . We set our own entrance exams and criteria.

I should add my local independent schools educate all pupils together regardless of SEN not in separate classes or 1-1

'Its got to make a hard job harder'

'You lack any depth of understanding the reality of chalkface teaching as it is in schools these days. Its not me who is out of touch ( even though my school doesnt have the problems)'

WTF?

Jabed, you teach part-time in an independent school. You refuse to do any work for which you are not renumerated. You do no extra-curricular activities, no revision sessions and offer no extra support to students. You refuse to teach students with any sort of SEN. You have shown on this thread and on other threads no awareness that these are atypical and undesirable attributes in a teacher.

And you say teaching is a 'hard job' and you say it's ME who has no understanding of the reality of teaching???

You are on a different planet!

You are also uncommitted and prejudiced and ignorant. You should not be working with children and I do not believe any half-way decent school would employ you if they knew your attitudes.

'I would never take on a dyslexic in my subject. They simply wouldnt cope with the essays and amount of language skills involved. '

Well, thankfully, Einstein and Agatha Christie and Stephen Spielberg had more aware teachers than you are!

It's you who is in need of some serious educating Jabed. Your ignorance is staggering.

Jabed, I teach English - hard to think of a subject where essays are more important. My dyslexic student is probably the best student I have in AS. I use his essays as models on a regular basis.

mrz , independent schools are precisely that . No two are alike. We all set our own requirements and our own provision. Some have CE . Some will take mixed ability. Some have special units for SEN . One school I have personal knowledge of has a unit for diagnosing and teaching dyslexics
(specifically) They have a considerable number of such students and claim specialist teachers for it. They do not teach those pupils in main classes though. Each school is different.

As I recall, Einstein didnt receive any real help at school. Did poorly, so enlightened were his teachers.

'Children?s right to inclusive education is widely recognised in international human rights law. All relevant international human rights instruments recognise the right to education without discrimination on any grounds, including gender, disability, ethnic background, and other aspects of identity. '

[[http://www.csie.org.uk/inclusion/human-rights.shtml''

And you have coursework in English fivecandles? Enough said. When I had coursework in my subject we could do more for the students in terms of support.

One of my local independent schools has an ASD specialism but students are taught together. My friend's son who attends has offers from a number of universities and has already passed classics A level not bad for a child with ASD who was none verbal and unresponsive at one stage.

Eh? What's coursework got to do with anything?

But you would refuse to teach Einstein AT ALL Jabed. What does that say about how 'enlightened' you are?

My college has specialist dyslexia support IN ADDITION to students' other classes.

The idea that you would segregate students purely because they have dyslexia is discriminatory and illegal.

What subject DO you teach, Jabed?

I teach Btech (hahaha. BTEC - showing your ignorance yet again) Performing Arts at both KS4 and KS5, so lots of continuous assessment, no exam - a subject even the thickos can achieve in.

I find your attitude so ridiculous, that I am beginning to think that you are not real. Any "teacher" who refers to "BTechs", and "Home Ec" (WTF) are, at best, out of touch.

I think you are an excellent example of the fact that teaching in idependent schools is in no way superior to that in the state sector - an opinion often expressed on MN.

Jabed's particular school sounds like a horrible place. Anti-inclusion, pro-discrimination and run by a whole bunch of teachers who don't want to do anything over and above what's immediately required in the classroom to get good results of pre-selected and wealthy kids through their exams. I'd be horrifed if my kids ever encountered a teacher remotely like Jabed.

But I've never heard of a school like this TBH and I'm not convinced it or Jabed as a teacher really exist.

My dcs' school is nothing like this and it is independent and their teachers are lovely.

Almost exactly one week after my first pretty mild comment, casting aspersions on jabed's aptitude to teach, I feel thoroughly vindicated.

As an ordinary parent not a teacher but one often asked to interview prospective staff at my children's secondary school, I'm appalled by jabed, his attitudes and the ethos of his school.

Tbh jabed, it's borderline sick.