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top grammar vs top private

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darleneconnor · 02/02/2011 17:32

For argument sake say you had to choose between a top (ie top 20) state grammar and a top private school which would you go for?

Assume no financial constraints and no objections to the principle of private education.

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JoanofArgos · 04/02/2011 10:48

because you saw an Asian guy and thought IMMIGRANT! HA HA!

propatria · 04/02/2011 11:06

Well if its a choice between people that have proved themselves to get into the "top" schools and universities against very stiff oppo or ex postmen without a sigle O level then yep Im pretty pleased with that overrepresentation of "Eton OBs and their ilk"
Perish the thought that they might actually have proved themselves time and time again..

JoanofArgos · 04/02/2011 11:10

Do you find that the world divides itself up so neatly, Propatria?

propatria · 04/02/2011 11:13

If you look at the academic career of the now ex shadow chancellor,then yep it does.[wink}

jonicomelately · 04/02/2011 11:20

JoanofArgos.

Don't be so fucking ridiculous.

GrimmaTheNome · 04/02/2011 11:26

Up to a point I'd agree. I'd expect Oxbridge graduates to be 'overrepresented'. I'd expect children from state and private selective schools to be overrepresented. But a child with sufficient brains and determination can get to those from any background, its not an impossibility. That's (more or less) meritocratic.

But public schools - they are such a small slice of the population, the 'top of the top' excludes 50% of the population automatically, they exclude anyone not from a small geographical area whose parents think boarding is a bad idea, they exclude nearly everyone who can't pay a lot...

JoanofArgos · 04/02/2011 11:30

How very rude! I'm not sure what's ridiculous there..... unless it is you, twitching your curtains looking for dark-skinned individuals driving vans in order to prove a point!

propatria · 04/02/2011 11:42

Hang on heres a chap -been hanging around the corridors of power for years,private school ,Oxford ,Harvard,father was even a beak at Eton...its that well known man of the people Ed Balls..
Your solution to the overepresentation of public schoolboys,not of course forgetting those public schoolgirls..would be?

GrimmaTheNome · 04/02/2011 12:05

Overrepresentation in all political parties doesn't make it better does it? Hmm

Unfortunately I have no solution, entrenched privilege can persist for centuries and I'm not a revolutionary.

BoffinMum · 04/02/2011 12:06

I have to say that there are two fantastic things Eton is able to do that I think would be brilliant for education if they were more widespread.

  1. The most personalised, thoughtful school reports I have ever seen.
  2. Free music lessons for half a term so you can ry out learning an instrument with no obligation to organise a rental or cough up for extra lessons.
propatria · 04/02/2011 12:18

Boffin,I think youll find a fair few schools that give music lessons free for a term,its not just Eton(private sector of course)

propatria · 04/02/2011 12:20

Entrenched privilegeEnvylol,go and actually meet a few parents with children at private be that Eton or a small local school,or do you not want reality to ruin a good story..

GrimmaTheNome · 04/02/2011 12:30

Hmm My DD went to a small local private primary, half her cohort went on to private secondaries.

jonicomelately · 04/02/2011 12:40

Joanofargos.

You seem to think think that the word 'immigrant' is in some way derogatory or funny Hmm

I can assure you that I don't. And being somebody from a family of immigrants myself I have no need to curtain twitch.

Read my posts carefully and LOOK AT THE CONTEXT before trying to take the piss out of them Hmm

frenchlady · 04/02/2011 12:48

any ideas where ther is a good tuition place that prepare for the 11+ exam? tx....i am new to the forum.

jonicomelately · 04/02/2011 12:55

Deepest apologies btw to those people trying to have a reasoned debate on here Grin

TheReturnoftheSmartArse · 04/02/2011 12:58

Depends where you are, Frenchlady. Perhaps try a new post and let us know which area you want.

frenchlady · 04/02/2011 13:09

apologies i live in croydon.tx

TheReturnoftheSmartArse · 04/02/2011 13:42

Sorry, Frenchlady. I don't live in that area but I'm sure that if you create a new post there will be someone around to help you.

frenchlady · 04/02/2011 16:45

thank you for your suggestion.will definetely start a new post on the subject as i am desperate.tx

montlieu · 18/02/2016 10:17

Hi !

any further thoughts on the old grammar/independent debates ? we are in south west London and looking at the Croydon/Sutton schools/Dulwich. waiting for D day but are likely to have to decide between WCGS/Sutton GS and boys/co-ed indies round there.

thanks !

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