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Things I've noticed since the divorce

458 replies

TheWestfoldFell · 08/07/2024 07:01

  1. My house (I managed to buy a little home) is much cleaner and tidier despite the ikea boxes

  2. I spend a lot less money on groceries AND my work lunches come out of this

  3. my kids are a lot more chatty and animated when they are with me (50/50)

  4. he's a narc

OP posts:
Yogazmum · 19/07/2024 07:11

And I hadn’t fallen out of love with him. I was still very much in love with him and still am. I’m trying to unravel all the feelings while he has already mentally and physically moved on.
He wants to say ‘we love you but not each other’ so it’s easier for him….

Why not ‘I love you but not mummy’

Is that too much for an 11 year old to understand?

The child is going to have questions and I feel by saying daddy has a new girlfriend will help the child realise why daddy doesn’t love mummy any
more!

hildabaker · 19/07/2024 07:36

I'm so sorry, @Yogazmum , I'm not great at advice but I would be thinking who gives a flying fuck what 'loads' of his colleagues think? Not too shy to tell the truth to them then? No, it's just his son he wants to lie to. He doesn't get to tell you what to do or say any more - you can tell your son any age-appropriate truths you want. You will get through this - why don't you start a thread of your own and get some good advice from the wonderful Mumsnet people? Sending good vibes your way x

Beenthroughit · 19/07/2024 09:18

Your 12 year old is old enough to hear the truth in an age appropriate way.
Some people have explained that when people get married they promise to being just the 2 of them, but Daddy has got a girlfriend and has broken his promise to me. He is still your Daddy and you will still see him, it will be different but we'll work .it out, and it's not his fault, it's a grown up thing, ,but he can't live here with his girlfriend. Important not to say inflammatory things about the pair of them, just keep factual, don't try and turn him against his dad but he needs to know the relevent facts
He needs you to be honest and tell the truth, he will work out what has happened sooner or later and he will not be happy if he has not known the truth so he could prepare himself.children understand the idea of promises
A recommendation of chimp lady's blog and her book for helping you

Rhaidimiddim · 19/07/2024 09:32

Yogazmum · 19/07/2024 07:11

And I hadn’t fallen out of love with him. I was still very much in love with him and still am. I’m trying to unravel all the feelings while he has already mentally and physically moved on.
He wants to say ‘we love you but not each other’ so it’s easier for him….

Why not ‘I love you but not mummy’

Is that too much for an 11 year old to understand?

The child is going to have questions and I feel by saying daddy has a new girlfriend will help the child realise why daddy doesn’t love mummy any
more!

The children need to know the truth. It doesn't have to be deliveted brutally or in a way that punishes him. But he is wanting to avoid being blamed, and wants you to taje equal responsibility for the break-up.

The children deserve better. They will work.it out for themselves in five minutes, once the new woman is unveiled. If you haven't been straight with them, you'll both be liars in their eyes.

I would bet that most of his colleagues think he's a dick.

And, has he told the new woman he'll be habing the kids 50-50?

Beenthroughit · 19/07/2024 12:51

Eek, for chimp lady read chump lady!

Tickytocky · 19/07/2024 18:55

I grew up with parents always arguing- it was awful. All the things listed here, especially the walking on eggshells, horrible atmosphere, etc.

I never wanted that for DD - and I’ve never been more chuffed after reading these replies that I was a single parent throughout- literally bliss xxx

ADVICENEEDED987 · 25/07/2024 15:09

I'm not divorced yet but hope to be very soon (we're still trying to agree the split of our finances before applying for the financial order). Some of the things I have noticed since the divorce:

I have a calm, happy house now. The children and I are no longer walking on eggshells as we were never sure what mood ex would come home in.

We are all so much more confident to be who we want to be. I hadn't realised how quiet and subdued we all were for fear of being ridiculed by him. We now often sing at the top of our voices, dance round the kitchen... We never did before as he would have made fun of us

I love my evenings now. I used to dread having to sit on the sofa next to ex whilst he watched his tv programmes and lectured me about whatever he was watching. Now I curl up on the sofa with music and a book or watch something I like on TV or sit talking with my teenage son.

I love buying items for the house now, picking out things I truly like and I have a beautiful garden again full of plants (I gave up gardening before as ex would walk past things I had just planted and just hack bits off them and he eventually killed it dug up all my plants).

The house isn't lonely like it was before (obviously my life as a single parent can be incredibly lonely at times but it's not like it was before. Sitting in silence with ex every evening, whilst he complained at me about things was much lonlier)

I don't feel guilty spending money anymore, it's so refreshing not having to justify every purchase to him

No more being pestered for sex.

I have realised I wouldn't want to live with another man again!

BigAnne · 25/07/2024 21:45

@ADVICENEEDED987 Wonderful

Noddy1969 · 26/07/2024 11:36

Oooh, more:

No more having to spend yet another hour cleaning the hob because it's been turned up to '11' as dinner 'cooks faster'....

I can eat prawns and pork!

Also will never share my house with another 'adult' again (beyond my children).

BigBoysDontCry · 26/07/2024 13:04

Noddy1969 · 26/07/2024 11:36

Oooh, more:

No more having to spend yet another hour cleaning the hob because it's been turned up to '11' as dinner 'cooks faster'....

I can eat prawns and pork!

Also will never share my house with another 'adult' again (beyond my children).

Yep, no hob covered in grease from his 2nd dinner that he never ever cleaned up after. He'd clear the dishes after the dinner I made for the whole family- took him half the evening and never wiped a surface afterwards but it's seemingly then fair that i get to clear up after his supper and breakfast that he'd made only for himself in my lunch hour when I'm working from home. Arse.

And yes, will never ever live with anyone again other than my own offspring who miraculously can clear up after themselves despite also being male. Their penis doesn't get in the way of putting their dishes in the dishwasher or of using the hoover, washing machine or toilet brush. Fucking amazing that!

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 19:21

Ouchfuckingouchmyarse · 08/07/2024 08:34

I'm not divorced but I dream of it sometimes...no one talking to me or asking me things, noone eating loudly, noone playing tinny music through their phone, no one sniffing or snoring or farting, no suspicious puddles on the bathroom floor, no fried food smells on a Saturday morning....I love DH and he's a great husband mostly but the level of compromise it takes to live with someone else Every Single Day is insane. I'm just through menopause amd I suspect all my nice tolerant hormones have fled the building screaming!

I'm home alone today amd the silence is bliss!

Enjoy your free time. Sounds like your marriage is worth being in, Your feelings are normal

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 19:23

WingingItFTM · 09/07/2024 21:31

@AmandaHoldensLips i appreciate this - hence the speech marks

however, i also understand that as soon as i take steps to leave i will most likely be:

  • sworn at
  • shouted at
  • threatened
  • told that I’m mentally ill
  • told that i am the problem
  • told that i’m not a fit mother
  • told that i could never afford to be my self
  • told that he won’t sell the house
  • disrupting any viewings/sales
  • spending any joint assets
  • lies to the people around me/threatening to tell them what i’m ‘really like’

Maybe i’ll be pleasantly surprised and it won’t be like this but a lot of these already happen on an almost daily basis and i haven’t seriously tried to leave yet

You need to find the strength to leave. Sending you strength lovely lady. You are worth soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more than this

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 19:26

lele2221 · 09/07/2024 22:00

Love this thread. Just what I needed as I am in the middle of a separation and will be moving out with my children next month.

Hip Hip Hooray!

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 19:29

NewYorkNewYork24 · 09/07/2024 19:51

  1. running a house on one income and still having money left over. Yet on 2 we never did

  2. being able to buy whatever I want without feeling guilty. Even though he spent what he wanted when he wanted

  3. not being put down in front of others just to make a conversation

  4. getting up and going out on a weekend to do what I want, and not having to wait till gone mid day for him to get up to say he doesn’t want to do anything

  5. no pressure to have to cook a decent tea every night.

I think I’m in the minority because I still talk to my in laws 😂

BRILLIANT

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 19:32

ADVICENEEDED987 · 25/07/2024 15:09

I'm not divorced yet but hope to be very soon (we're still trying to agree the split of our finances before applying for the financial order). Some of the things I have noticed since the divorce:

I have a calm, happy house now. The children and I are no longer walking on eggshells as we were never sure what mood ex would come home in.

We are all so much more confident to be who we want to be. I hadn't realised how quiet and subdued we all were for fear of being ridiculed by him. We now often sing at the top of our voices, dance round the kitchen... We never did before as he would have made fun of us

I love my evenings now. I used to dread having to sit on the sofa next to ex whilst he watched his tv programmes and lectured me about whatever he was watching. Now I curl up on the sofa with music and a book or watch something I like on TV or sit talking with my teenage son.

I love buying items for the house now, picking out things I truly like and I have a beautiful garden again full of plants (I gave up gardening before as ex would walk past things I had just planted and just hack bits off them and he eventually killed it dug up all my plants).

The house isn't lonely like it was before (obviously my life as a single parent can be incredibly lonely at times but it's not like it was before. Sitting in silence with ex every evening, whilst he complained at me about things was much lonlier)

I don't feel guilty spending money anymore, it's so refreshing not having to justify every purchase to him

No more being pestered for sex.

I have realised I wouldn't want to live with another man again!

BRILLIANT

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 19:59

Dancingontheedge · 10/07/2024 09:47

I’m not divorced, been with the same man for 40 years.
But bloody hell, the shit some of you have put up with for so long!
I’m reading the thread, and most of the points made would be deal-breakers for me, so fantastically well done to all who have thought ‘Fuck this, it’s not what I need and I’m not putting up with it any longer’

Reassuring to know that there are some happy marriages around! Easy to forget that on this thread

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 20:03

QueensOfTheVolksAge · 10/07/2024 13:53

My resentment has gone. If there's something undone, it was my choice to not do it, and my problem to sort out. I cannot put a price on this pure freedom of never again waiting years for someone to pretend to care enough to sort it. Be it DIY, paperwork, household jobs, listening to family, trying to make any sort of improvement.. That massive human roadblock is now out of our way, with all his accompanying bullshit excuses to fail constantly, all gone too. Feels amazing.

The children have friends over more often, they talk more, they use more of the house. This made me so sad, I hadn't realised how they'd curtailed themselves to avoid his overbearing, boring presence. The pets are more chilled. I noticed he never ever greeted the dog, which is just so alien, even "non doggy" people generally acknowledge a happy dog wagging and wanting a pat when they see them?! What a loser.

No more inane conversation just for the sake of it. I do NOT miss hearing the droning monologue about people I don't know, and the minutiae of their lives, while he couldn't even remember the basics about us 🙄 much less feign interest in what any of us had to say. It's so dispiriting to have everything you mention forgotten on purpose. It crushes the self esteem. So glad the kids don't have to endure it any more.

The constant background coughing, spluttering, sniffing, swearing, quiet chuntering because he can't communicate directly. Boiling constant full kettles of water and not using it, leaving every light on, leaving toilet seat up, not changing toilet rolls or opening the window after stinking the house out 😭 It is SO GOOD to be free. I stopped doing his laundry well before the split and I don't miss dumping out his wet stinking abandoned washing from the machine, to do my own 🫠 Did I say it's good to be free already?! It's good to be free 😅

Not having to be on high alert as to his nonverbal cues of anger or shitty mood. Not having to placate a man who can't manage his own feelings as an adult. Priceless.

Not having to deal with toxic and fist-bitingly boring miserable and tight inlaws. Not having to feel embarrassed in company by his lack of self awareness and boring awful tales (which never graduated from things that happened twenty years ago being repeated endlessly- stories about "the gang", not a single one for them is still in touch with him and yet the nostalgia continues to bore on and on to any audience). Bring able to have my friends over to my house and he's not here spoiling it.

A weird one but I no longer have to smile or apologise to any women he almost bulldozed through on the street... His lack of awareness of these woman having to flit around him was too much to bear (yes I did tell him, constantly)

I can plan things for me and the kids. Things we are really interested in. We can geek out together about it all without him openly mocking and judging it, or trying to ruin it for us. I can go to music events and dance now, without him there openly laughing at me for being bad at it. I can go on holiday without him 100% purposefully setting out to ruin everything. Never again will I compromise for a rude abrupt ungrateful pig regarding holidays, never again will my kids endure his utter disinterest (and jealousy) in their travels and the fun they had.

Speaking of jealousy, that. No more of it. He's jealous of people with better cars, houses, lives. All whilst actively shunning any route to get that for himself. I'm happy with my lot and it's so freeing to lose that background aura of constant dissatisfaction.

Also, smaller things like he used to moan every single week if asked to pick up more bread and milk, saying he contributed "so much" "around thirty quid a week!" But since he's gone, we never need top ups. Because it was him who was fucking eating and drinking all the extras, and trying to blame the kids 🙄 in fact, bills in general. He somehow made out he was the breadwinner, but I pay for everything. I am better off financially without him leeching off us, which has truly blown my mind. I was most definitely paying the lions share, and for what?

This is such a cathartic thread!!

Whoopee! Go there Girl

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 20:28

mt9m · 08/07/2024 09:52

Makes you wonder why people choose to remarry!

My thoughts exactly!

Despair1 · 26/07/2024 20:33

Royaly82 · 08/07/2024 23:10

Not getting woken up at 4am because he wanted to get up early for a run and then having to wake up every 5 mins for 2 hours while he snoozed it

Not having to dread coming to bed and having to fend off unwanted advances

My lovely peaceful evenings watching what I want to in bed

Not having to worry if he's cheating (again)

Losing weight and finally enjoying lots of self care

Having every other Saturday child free now he FINALLY looks after his own children

Finally reconnecting with old friends and socialising again

How proud I feel of myself that I got through the last few months and have come back stronger and happier than I ever was with him

Brilliant, you have every right to be proud! Enjoy your Self Care and your Sat evenings

lele2221 · 27/07/2024 22:08

Well mine cannot come any time soon. Hopefully only 4 weeks until I move into my home. I've just been called a rat because i questioned about equal rights. Basically i live with a man who thinks women should behave in the 1950's, but I work and do everything but should not question anything he says or does

CheekyHobson · 27/07/2024 22:08

Apart from the peace and freedom, the validation of all the things that bothered me during the relationship but I was told I was crazy for thinking were anything to do with him is a big one.

  • Despite having a household income that's only 65 percent of what it was previously, I save more money due to power, water and shopping bills dropping so much, and the stream of needless big and small purchases stopping
  • Chores like laundry take much less time as he produced far more than his fair share and did far less than his fair share of the processing of it. He created more work than he took care of
  • The house is also a lot easier to keep tidy and clean now that it's not filled with his excessive amount of 'stuff'
  • My bathroom sink stays mysteriously free of bits of hair, toothpaste spit and dribbles of hand-soap
  • Having a child-free weekend every two weeks feels like an incredible amount of freedom and lack of responsibility compared to being the primary carer 100 percent of the time
  • On the now fairly rare occasions I have to see him, it's remarkable how noticeable his negative attitude is as well as his general lack of empathy and thought for others. These days I hardly ever deal with anyone who's so negative and self-absorbed, so it really stands out.
  • The children and I are all so much more relaxed because we're not tip-toeing around his sulks, rigid expectations, sudden bursts of annoyance and mean/stupid 'jokes'
  • I pay the neighbour's kid $10 to mow the lawn every couple of weeks. It takes him 20 minutes and he does it cheerfully, rather than it being the hour-plus production followed by moaning that it was when my ex did it
  • Through stories the kids tell me, it's clear that the spending addiction that contributed to the end of our relationship and that he'd supposedly dealt with through therapy is still fully active
  • I now have a BF and he does all the things I felt were normal in a relationship but my ex thought were excessive expectations: cleans and fixes without being asked to, regularly tells me I'm beautiful, says he loves me and I'm a great mum, listens and accepts responsibility if he's done something that bothers me, and never attacks my character
BigAnne · 28/07/2024 01:03

@Despair1 I know some women on here will probably think bad of me, but my DH passed away the day after I decided I was leaving. It was as if someone somewhere decided enough was enough. I was subjected to a verbal torrent of abuse re me being lazy and him being a wonderful provider. I am now able to be the real me. No longer uptight and angry. My life is utter utter bliss. I go to bed relaxed and waken relaxed. Sisters do it for yourselves. You will not regret it no matter your circumstances. Peace is everything xxxxxx

Despair1 · 28/07/2024 12:21

BigAnne · 28/07/2024 01:03

@Despair1 I know some women on here will probably think bad of me, but my DH passed away the day after I decided I was leaving. It was as if someone somewhere decided enough was enough. I was subjected to a verbal torrent of abuse re me being lazy and him being a wonderful provider. I am now able to be the real me. No longer uptight and angry. My life is utter utter bliss. I go to bed relaxed and waken relaxed. Sisters do it for yourselves. You will not regret it no matter your circumstances. Peace is everything xxxxxx

Think bad of you???? Not al all. You deserve every bit of peace and your blissful life. Enjoy! May your H RIP

Despair1 · 28/07/2024 12:23

WinkyTinky · 12/07/2024 20:26

I'm also really hoping to get to the day when my Friday nights are not about all of us being subjected to Spectator TV and the sound of Jacob Rees Mogg and his mates on the only TV in the house, while I sit out of the way having to watch the tennis on my phone.

You will get there!

Despair1 · 28/07/2024 12:25

AdviceNeeded2024 · 08/07/2024 23:10

Feel this thread is great, and motivation and hope for me.

This is soon to be me. Separating from Husband but still living together after him having 2 affairs and treating me like shit and the skivvy for 10yrs. Very scared at the moment and worried about being on my own, especially as I am now late 40’s, but have moments of reflection when I realise I am on my own anyway despite living together.

I have been daydreaming about having my own place and just having that freedom of not answering to anyone and being stress free and able to relax.

Things I know I won’t miss:

*The mess in the house
*The criticism and put downs
*Being nagged all the time
*The state the bathroom gets left in
*Making me put more in the joint account to cover bills, despite him earning over twice what I do, and leaving me on the bones of my arse and in my overdraft, then him spending £250 a month on clothes and telling me I should use this as ‘motivation’ to get a better paid job
*Doing everything in the house and still getting criticised for it
*Being ignored or shut down anytime I start a conversation about anything
*Him having all his days off as free time and me having to spend mine doing the never ending chores by myself
*Dreading going home each night or him coming home
*Snoring keeping me up all night every night

The sooner the better, special lady!