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Does It Get Better Thread 2

251 replies

scotgal2017 · 02/02/2018 18:26

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/divorce_separation/3009364-Does-it-get-better?pg=40

Can't post anymore on orginal thread so started a new one!!

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Wellyboots86 · 27/03/2018 07:50

I don’t know exactly how much contact in laws have had with stbxw and bf, whether they’ve actually met him face to face or not, it I do know that he is spoken about now and that hurts as it is a sign of them accepting him into the family even though a few weeks ago mil was telling me that they didn’t want t to get involved etc.

I suppose it was inevitable,family is always going to pick family but still, they know this guy is the one she cheated on me with and yet he now seems welcome. I feel like I’m stuck in the past and everyone else is steaming along to the future. Hate it and myself and wish I could just get over it and move on! It really houldnt be this hard should it?

Wellyboots86 · 27/03/2018 07:51

weewheels that’s awful. I keep checking to see if she’s posting pics of him yet, god knows why as I know it’ll break my heart when she does.

Think your stbxw wants the best of both worlds and is playing with your emotions.

WeeWheels72 · 27/03/2018 09:16

I honestly don't trust him, I feel he is up to something. He knows I'm stressed out because of things happening here, and he told me to tell him so he can help me when I'm stressed. I have to find money for the house, and he said not to worry he will get it for me. I also called it my house, and he said oh great so when I move back over I'm out on my ear.....I mean WTF? I said well you can live with her....and he asked who? I know hes with her, the photo confirms it. For someone who doesn't care, to now say all this yesterday....is he feeding her a line about us, and pretending to be a great guy....I don't know. All I know is he will be here next week, and I'm going to be all nice, no fighting, because I wont have him able to say anything bad about me. I honestly hate him....just wish I didn't love him also.

Wellyboots86 · 27/03/2018 11:07

weewheels sounds like he’s having second thoughts and trying to weasel his way back in.

Maybe the grass wasn’t greener after all?

I’m just desperate to know what stbxw has actually told her parents now as feel l8ke she’s made out that things were worse than they were and lied about when she met om. I know it doesn’t matter but to me it still does as I feel like Im losing half my family to him (even though they are her family)

Wintersnow17 · 27/03/2018 11:42

Weewheels - tell him to get her to take the photo down , that's not on at all, what an idiot. Wellyboots, I stopped looking ages ago, I don't want to see a photo of them together, he's already broken my heart, I don't want it to happen again. I want to know what he's told people about what's happened too, I feel they will get his side and not see my point of view. and like you welly, I feel like I've lost a family, how can we communicate when they have someone else in their life now. I know she's met a lot of his family now and it hurts - it hurts that they will just be having normal conversations and being nice. Yuk.

Sunflowers4 · 27/03/2018 12:51

@WeeWheels72 my STBXH said the same thing to me about always being family - that was said in the beginning when I didn't no about the OW! However I put him straight and told him point blank that no we would not be family as he has chosen to walk away from his family ( which to this day he still says he hasn't walked away from a family unit he has chosen to split up with me but seems as we have a dc together and were married I would class that as leaving his family) baffles me the way they think - he was and still is living in a fantasy land! Your stbxh is playing with you emotions do not let him.

@Wellyboots86 big hugs! It's hard when you were so close to their family! I am the same - when this all came out they swore they didn't want anything to do with her. But now the dust has settled slightly I feel like they will be a lot more accepting now and she will probably end up being a part of the family! Like you say they are his family and no matter what he has done and how disgusting he has treated me they are going to stick by him! It's so hard to accept that but it will just be another hurdle I need to get over! However I will never ever even be civil with her I just can't! It kills me to have to be civil to him!! I have blocked them both on social media so they can't look at anything to do with me and I certainly don't want to see anything to do with them! The last time I looked she had put she was in a relationship and that hurt abit so now I just don't look and it's the best thing! I also no what you mean about being stuck in the past And everyone getting on with it! But you no what these things take time and one day we will look back and see how far we have come!

newtonml64 · 27/03/2018 15:37

I can’t seem to pull myself round at the minute and seem to be on a constant low. I still feel so hurt by my in-laws and then accepting of her, like 30+ years of me being in their lives means nothing. I’ve blocked him on social media but know he is posting pictures of them living their happy lives and she has her profile picture of them both. I’m still amazed at how it all happened and think that one day I’ll wake up from the nightmare. I still feel I want and live him but I’m not sure if that’s just the loneliness clouding my thoughts. I’ve two more “first” hurdles to conquer this week - Easter and my sons 22nd birthday. I’m not sure if my kids will hear from him or his parents but all I can do is focus on them and us having a good time! I’m so glad I have you all to speak to. People around me think I should be over it after all this time, 8 months, but we all know it’s not that easy. Take care 😊

Wintersnow17 · 27/03/2018 18:04

Hi Newton, I'm the same- still can't believe it happened and think will all end- be back to normal at some point , but I know it will never be normal ever again. It's off , u don't know whether I want him back either or if it's just loneliness / thinking he's having a good time. Its mental torture, only keeping busy keeps it out of your head . X

Wintersnow17 · 27/03/2018 18:05

Odd not off

WeeWheels72 · 27/03/2018 18:06

Wellyboots....def not him having 2nd thoughts, he is with her at every chance he has. Plus the photos are of his work do, so they all know about her now. More like what Sunflowers has said to be honest. Wintersnow...all our friends (his & mine) can see it.....
Newtonml64 it stinks! You cant wipe that long out in only 8 months, to live day in and day out with someone, have kids with them, its going to take time, let people think what they want, but there is a lot more than just the breakup, there is your kids.....your whole way of live has been taken.
At least for us all.....we have each other, people who understand x

Sunflowers4 · 27/03/2018 18:24

@newtonml64 I am also 8 months in! 8 months is not a long time when you have spent years with someone, building a life with them, sharing everything with them, only for them to walk away from it all as if it meant nothing! It will take a long time to get over! We can't rush it we just have to go with the way we are feeling and know one day we will be happy again!

It still hurts for me sometimes but I must say I don't miss him as he is now I miss what we had! But I am
Enjoying being on my own and doing things I love to do! Feel like I have found a new confidence! I realise how he treated me last year was terrible and I'll never forgive him for that I deserve better! I just can't get over how they think it's all ok and acceptable it actually baffles me! And also how they have just walked away without even looking back or thinking how these kind of things can affect the children.

How have all of your mutual friends reacted to it all? Do you still see them? X x

WeeWheels72 · 29/03/2018 07:51

So he is coming over for 3 nights next week, I let him stay here for the kids, but I'm going to tell him its the last time. He will have to now stay at his mums, and collect them, and take them there. He has his own life 8 weeks at a time, and most of that with his gf, I do all the parenting, and I'm taking back those few days he is here, for my own. He left and he now cant have the family life here at our home anymore. Before I felt it was the only way I could see him, but I'm starting to feel so much hate towards him, that isn't good for me or for the kids. I feel he is getting the best from both worlds, while I'm left feeling bad while he goes back to her......no more. Its time to get my life back....but it feels terrible too.

Hope everyone is feeling good today....x

WeeWheels72 · 29/03/2018 07:53

Sunflowers....its amazing how you now look back and see the way they have been, I have done this too, and it amazes me how I stayed when he was being so distance and nasty towards me x

JooMooMies · 29/03/2018 08:37

Hugs WeeWheels72 You’re right! Why should he be allowed to have his cake and eat it!?! You deserve better and a few days break while he takes the kids to his parents won’t hurt any of you.

I’m struggling this week- he gets keys to his new house & moves out this weekend, there’s boxes everywhere & bits of furniture cleared that he’s going to be taking so the house is just as fractured as my emotions right now. And what’s more hurtful is that after staying here for 5 months putting us all in this hellish limbo until he decided it was real and he was moving out, in the last 2 weeks he’s actually started to sort himself out! He’s finally spoken to someone about his mood swings & issues, has started watching what he eats & exercise, is clean shaven & actually interacting with the kids etc! I’m happy that he’s taken a look at himself & realised he needs to sort but it’s almost an insult that he can do it now but he couldn’t do it for the last however many years that I’ve been trying to help him and been carrying everything. The hurt and frustration and anxiety he’s caused in our family has been unbearable at times and built so much resentment :(

Wintersnow17 · 31/03/2018 17:59

JooMooMies, hope the move out wasn't too bad and it's a relief to see the back of him. Newton - not many mutual friends - either his or mine, all shocked but not spoken to his. Mine obviously are with me and can see it for what it is. It's more his family that hurts me . Still hardly any contact from people I've known for years, but who knows what lies he's told them ?? Or variations on the truth. I'll get glad when ive moved so I don't have to see him again now, it's getting too wearying xx happy Easter Saturday X hope everyone's got something planned for tomorrow, even if it's only eating chocolate! X

scotgal2017 · 03/04/2018 10:49

Morning everyone, hope you are all well. You'll notice i am on here less and less, mainly because I feel I am in a good place and managing to move on more. I think quite a few of us are? But I do read all your posts and realise I am very lucky (well, at the moment anyway, I have a feeling it's going to get messy when me and DCs move back to UK and i file for divorce) - my life is very peaceful at the moment.....although I do need to have a bit of a rant, hence the out-of-the-blue post lol.

I've done really well ignoring STBXH. He sent a birthday message as per my last post which I ignored. he then messaged me a couple of days ago to make arrangements to have the kids for 2 weeks, so as communication was to do with the kids, I responded (albeit with yes fine and that's it lol).

Last night I came out of shower and found he had messaged again. It was a link to a BBC article and underneath he wrote "I just hope we haven't done too much damage, well, mostly me". I ignored them but obviosuly was intrigued about the article. I opened it this morning and just read the title and it was about the way parents argue affecting their children.

So, i'm not a perfect parent by any means but i'm expected to carry the blame for the (various) ways i reacted to arguments from a physically/emotionally/verbally abusive husband?? I spent 20 years trying different ways to appease an argument....in the beginning I would argue back and raise my voice (we were together for 6 years before kids BTW)...if i recall the first time i really blew up at him in an argument he tried to strangle me in a lift and bought me flowers the next day to apologise. After that you change tactics and you keep changing tactics to see what works best at just getting them to leave you alone/stop shouting at you/calm down. i've had things thrown at me, doors kicked in, fingers in faces etc etc (see list in one of my previous posts on this thread).....certainly for me by the end i wouldn't even bother arguing (which seemed to make him more wound up) as there was no point. I learned that my opinion wasn't valid, that whatever I said was bullshit and he wasn't listening to what i had to say, it was agree with him and no other choice.

As I said i'm not a perfect parent...there were times I left and stayed in a hotel as it was just too hard to stand there after 2 hours and listen to any more abuse. I feel really bad about that and very guilty for my children, although he has never hurt them but he does shout at them (though not to the same extent as me because they have seen him blow up at me and they know not to "antagonise" him). They have witnessed the shouting, the swearing at me , the throwing things which he says he feels guilty about, but again he says that is down to the both of us......not quite sure how him not being able to control his feelings and reactions is down to me??? So am i to blame for how my arguing affected my kids? Considering arguing was pretty much one way i.e., he would shout, swear etc to get his way and he got it as i just agreed to shut him up, as a person who has come out of an long term abusive relationship, am i as much at fault as he is?

BTW, since he has left there is very little arguing in this house. In fact there is more laughter. Yes me and the kids have our moments of disagreement but since i have been seeing the therapist I am learning to stop and think before communicating with others. yes I have days where I will raise my voice a little, i am human after all, but with most of the stress gone from our lives it is a very rare occasion.

Thanks for reading if you got this far lol x

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Wellyboots86 · 03/04/2018 13:57

scotgal glad things are working out for you now.

I’m not at the stage you are but certainly a lot further than when I started posting so it helps to read back on old posts now and again if your ever having a bad day!

I’m waiting on a phone call about a house I want to buy which is perfect for me and the boys but will definitely result in an argument with stbxw due to distance etc but oh well, spoke to her parents the other day and the6 said the same thing to her that I was thinking - surely it’s better he buys somewhere than not and your buyers pull out? Distance can be sorted by meeting halfway for example.

One day we’ll all look back on this as a positive event in our new lives rather than a crushing one in our old ones

WeeWheels72 · 08/04/2018 11:17

Very quiet here......hows everyone feeling?

scotgal2017 · 08/04/2018 16:34

@WeeWheels72, good afternoon! Yes it is quite quiet around here, I hope that's a positive sign in that everyone is busy enjoying/building their new lives!!

My DC's go back to school tomorrow so looking forward to some peace and quiet lol!! Also I have been busy with things at the dog shelter, tring to "train up" other volunteers so people can do things i usually do after i leave to go back to UK.

Hope everything is well with you? Flowers

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Wintersnow17 · 09/04/2018 23:05

Yes, very quiet. Are we all moving on? Estate agents coming round next weekHmm not looking forward to that . I think we're all about the same place. Don't want to lose house, can't afford to keep it on , but need to break free of him. Just wish I definitely had somewhere to go. Still think it's cowards way out to have an affair, get out of relationship and have someone waiting in the wings. Oh well , fed up of the whole stinking saga now. May they feel guilt for the rest of their lives while we move on to new glorious pastures xxhugs to all X

WeeWheels72 · 10/04/2018 06:39

I honestly don't think they do feel any guilt. He was here for a few days, and he blames me for the breakup....wtf! I told him a few truths. I mean he was seeing someone....he is now with someone else, and after 5 months is half living with her....I think they live with their heads in the clouds.....

Wintersnow17 · 10/04/2018 07:09

You're probably right. It's funny how at the start he was sorry and blamed himself, then as more people became aware it was to do with me and how he felt we weren't getting on. As if that excuses an affair! Lies and fantasy in his head to give himself an excuse. I'm feeling very bitter and stressed at the moment, he's all cosy in her house, I'm having to sell mine (ours) because I can't afford to keep it on. Generally I'm upbeat and to other people I appear fine but It's not a good time for me at the moment . It's the next step to the new reality.

Wintersnow17 · 10/04/2018 07:12

As more people became aware HE SAID it was to do with me and how we weren't getting on.

Coward not to try to sort out our relationship . Spineless.

WeeWheels72 · 10/04/2018 10:39

I agree Wintersnow. I do feel angry too, he has messed up 4 lives here, but he can only think about himself. He left for another woman, from what I can piece together, she didn't leave her husband, so he found someone else, and is living with her and her son part of the week, maybe fully now. He says it doesn't mean anything to him, so why is he with her? Does he think I'm stupid? He wants to be friends, but I hate lies and he is telling a lot of them now. And he blames me for his having no money! Everything is what are we buying etc.....hmmm no....there is no we anymore, he doesn't seem to get that we are no more unless he wants something. I hope she is happy with him, she will see a different side to him very soon. And having him stay with her and her young son so quickly.....I have to believe somewhere down the line it will all fall apart for him, while we are happy without him, but I know he will just move onto the next one after that. But like you, I appear fine, but deep down I'm not.

Wellyboots86 · 10/04/2018 19:25

Well I’ve got three viewings to do tomorrow in my seemingly unending search for a new house!

So fed up of it tbh but it’ll be worth it when I have my own place I’m sure....

As for stbxw, she’s pretty much moved her bf in with her now and that’s very difficult tbh, it shouldn’t be but it is, damn emotions! Doesn’t help when ds1 gets excited when we are together (however brief) and seems to want us to stay together rather than going separate ways each time.

Brave facing it for everyone but this week has definitely been a wobbly one