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Feeling sad....but will get there!

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Moocow72 · 31/12/2017 09:18

Hi All

Well dc's now know about the separation - it was as awful as I thought it would be and there were tears from all four of us but I think we handled it as well as we could and made it clear that none of it was their fault and that we would always be a family, just couldn't live together anymore.

Initially it was a relief, but must admit I'm struggling now (I guess part of the grieving process). Not helped by how easily dh seems to be moving on with his life. When he first talked about separation many weeks ago I knew there was someone else in the shadows for him. He was honest and told me he was friends with someone and he thought it may develop in the future.

So part of me is fuming that despite him saying he's been unhappy for many years and in his words he "gave up" with the marriage a year ago he could only end it when he knew he had someone else on the sidelines.

I'm not an idiot and to be honest don't really want to beat myself up about what may or may not have happened between them but it's obvious that something will and I guess that's something I've got to get my head around. As far as anyone else is concerned (kids, family) we've told them there is no one else involved which does smart a bit for me as even if nothing happened between them when we were still together it's obvious that this is a factor.

But I guess that's his problem and he has to tell kids/family in due course about her and they can draw their own conclusion.

Just desperately trying to keep positive - in hindsight perhaps it would have been better if this had all happened when we were working/at school as finding it hard having so much spare time for the next few days. Grateful that we've got a dog as she's been fantastic company for me and her poor little legs must be tired as she's getting plenty of walks SmileSmile

Love and happy thoughts to all for the year to come xx

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eve34 · 22/05/2018 21:25

Evening all.

I love you have every right to feel you are being punished. I know I do. I never wanted it to be this way he has skipped off to his happy new life and picks And chooses when he has the kids. It sucks.

I don't want him back in anyway shape or form. She is welcome to him. I know he will show his true colours further down the line. It will come in time and it sounds like you have some good friends. But you will build a new life for yourself. With new people. My counselling has come to an end. And it wasn't very fruitful. But I did realise that my world had got very small and I had lost me along the way. I don't like being out of my comfort zone. But I have a few new friends and I am beginning to try harder with new people. Because I have too. I have to build a life without him and the children. It wasn't what I wanted. But I need to make the best of this shitty situation and I can't wait for the day he knocks on my door and someone else is sat on the sofa. Looking right at home. I'm not in any rush. But I am also not going to let life slip me by.

Crab. That is good news you have more of a plan and good you can be more involved in your sons life. It sounds very positive and hopefully the start of good co parenting relationship. You are a better person than I am. Although it isn't as raw or painful as it has been. He was the one person I thought would always be there. But then deep down I always knew he would up and leave one day. Funny that!

We have all come such a long way. It hasn't been easy. But I think we should be very proud of ourselves. Think we should plan a party to celebrate our year of freedom!

ilovecrumpets · 22/05/2018 21:43

Eve - I like the idea of a party!

What you say about realising your world has become very small and you had lost yourself really struck a cord with me, it is true for me too. Not even sure how it happened. It feels such a challenge, but you are also right about having to build a new life not just without my ex but without the kids as well, whether I like it or not. At the moment it feels quite empty and just hard work to start again. By chance a colleague at work actually just introduced me by email to one of his friends who is a single parent with two kids the same age as mine and she emailed to say did I fancy meeting up. It was a bit random of him, but kind and I am going to email back and say yes. A small step!

Wintersnow17 · 22/05/2018 22:51

Ilove- I think we must be in the same cycle of emotions. I feel that general sadness all the time, whereas before it was crashing , devastating misery followed by highs when with friends/ doing something. It is the lonely nights that get you, when you just need someone to chat with. And like us all, most friends either paired up or with children.
I really feel for you all with children having to share with ex and OW, that must be really heart wrenching.

Crab - like you things are stirred up again when I have to speak to him. I'm absolutely fine for ages then have to communicate and all the old anger, sadness and hatred towards him and her resurfaces and sends me into a tale spin. The thought as well that everyone has accepted them despite what they've done. I've been completed cut off from his family too. Again it's when we communicate that it bothers me. It's totally unfair.
Anyway, always feel better chatting to you all and hearing your stories.
I'm getting out and about a bit more and if I go for a coffee on my own don't feel like everyone knows, starting to feel like independent woman having me time.
Eve- I think we should all have a party too or at least raise a glass to us, strong survivors!Wine X

eve34 · 23/05/2018 06:36

Morning all.

I love that is great news that you have made contact with someone who is in the same situation. It has made a real difference to me to find a single Mum friend. I have made few new friends away from the couples we use to go out with. They are still friends but it isn't the same and I needed to make some changes. I have also started volunteering on the weekend the children aren't home. Giving my free time a sense of purpose.

If anyone is in the south I am happy to meet up. With it without the small people.

Lonelycrab · 23/05/2018 16:11

Hi everyone hope we doing ok today. Hope you feeling a bit better crumps. I always look at you and winter to give me an idea of where I’ll be in a few months, as you two are ahead of me in this cycle of pain and healing. I think eve and I are almost at a very similar stage with things, it all ended mid January.

Winter, you say everyone has accepted your ex and his decisions. I’d bet that’s not the case and although some may seem to be ‘fine’ with what happened, many will know what’s gone on and know how wrong it is. Just because people seem accepting doesn’t mean they always are. I know myself that I’d always be wary of a person able to justify a relationship if either person is already in a relationship.

I’ve been doing some more reading on covert narcissism and it really has hit the nail on the head for me. So much of her behaviour slots into place. The obsession with status and appearance. The lack of empathy. Hugely offended by any form of criticism. The lack of self awareness. The jealousy. It all fits like a glove. This being the case, I now understand she wasn’t really capable of loving me, as narcs generally aren’t. I might as well have been trying to love a lamp post for all the good it would have done. Thought for the day! Hugs all x

Wintersnow17 · 23/05/2018 19:57

Thanks Crab, that's made me feel better. I hope you're right about them not really being accepted. I also think you are right that narcissism plays a part- your description covers it- jealousy , status and appearance definitely/ needing to be accepted and seen to be respectable ( ha - clearly not ) and not taking criticism and total lack of self awareness . Not really seeing things as others do. Funny how you put up with stuff you don't realise you've put up with if you know what I mean- I look back now and he showed all of those things and didn't realise at the time. He was jealous of any time I spent else where/ with my friends and family and equated that with not loving him I think. It all fits. Feeling less low today. Chatting here makes a difference. Hope you've all had a good day X

mammynowanauntyIRL · 24/05/2018 10:00

ilovecrumpets that was very random of your friend but also very lovely and thoughtful. I've become good friends with my colleagues' sister who happens to also be my hairdresser, she's recently become divorced and is into healthy eating & running, so similar to myself.

eve34 · 25/05/2018 13:16

It's good we have started to make new friends who fully understand our situation. A step in the right direction for all of us.

Crab I hope you are right in what you say. Ex has taken ow to meet his family this weekend. I don't doubt they will of course be lovely to her and I am sure she is a lovely person. Just hit me all over again. I'm not part of that anymore.

I know he has every right to take her and I know there isn't any going back. But it bloody hurts. Guess next time they will take the kids and then that's me written out of that side of the family. The grown up part of me says she is welcome to him. The bitter part of me wants to kick and scream. But that won't change anything.
Just got to get on With it all.

Lonelycrab · 26/05/2018 22:36

Evening all if anyone’s around. Having a very quiet one tonight at parents where I’m living; they’re away so it’s just me and the cat. Having a bit of a flash forward to the future and feeling a bit melancholy, weekends sat alone, nursing a cup of tea in wherever I end up living. Our house has had some viewings but nothing more so it may be a while of this limbo. I’m quite comfortable here but the commute is a killer so I’m doing 3/4 days a week max. She’s moving out with my son at the end of July, so if it hasn’t sold or at least got an offer I will move back in at that point.

That’s gonna feel really strange though.

Just had a bunch of texts from my ex, about the toll that you pay on the journey to her parents. Accounts in my name needs topping up blah de blah, minor stuff but just what I don’t need. The contact just gets to me sometimes. Hugs all

eve34 · 26/05/2018 23:20

It can be very lonely crab. When you are use to being part of a family. And all of a sudden you are On Your own. And more so for you. Your whole situation has completely changed.
I am sure once you have your own place you will start to build new friends and interests and find away to fill your time.

This isn't it for any of us.

Funny how contact bring it all back. Ex was away for few weeks with work and it was bliss as no need for any contact. Then text start about seeing the kids and it all comes rushing back. I hope it was an issue that was easily to resolve. Sounds like something she should of sorted herself.
Hope your weekend goes smoothly and your contact with ds comes quickly.

Wintersnow17 · 27/05/2018 23:21

Hi eve and crab, hope you're feeling a bit better. Yes I have flash forwards and despair about what might be but an keeping hopeful and living one day at a time .
Eve it is the contact that drags you back a step I agree . The sooner I'm rid the better, he's just a despicable person who I can do without in my life. I'm fine when I can just get on and dread getting a message from him X hugs all X

eve34 · 29/05/2018 09:56

Morning all. Hope everyone enjoyed the bank holiday weekend. Up and down one here. It was My youngest birthday so that was bitter sweet having to wave her off in the afternoon so he and ow can go off and play happy families. But did it with a smile. We also have sick bug which has gone through us all.
Few days with the kids before they go for contact next weekend so hopefully we all feel well enough to get out.
Winter the less contact the better I find. Just want to be civil and talk about the children only. But he can't even bring himself to do that. He is in Just plain nasty mode at the moment. So that is making life difficult.

Wintersnow17 · 29/05/2018 17:51

Hi all, hope things are going smoothly,
Eve, that's horrible for you, I really feel for you having to see your children go off to other people. I hope the children make their lives difficult. I find my ex wants to be over civil and tell me all about what he's doing, as if I give a .... I wish he wouldn't. He's only doing it to affirm to himself he's having a great time and everyone is accepting him and the selfish OW . Other than that he's distanced himself so much he neither seems to want to know nor care about the house as long as it sells ASAP . Still the sooner it's gone, the sooner I have nothing to do with him. Feeling tired today so a bit emotional and all the sadness hits again of all we've done together and now how it's taken the shine off everything we've ever done.And how he's turned into this callous man I don't recognise anymore.
Must get more sleep! Tiredness really doesn't help Xx

eve34 · 29/05/2018 18:55

Winter sorry to hear that you are struggling. Ex wanted us to be friends. At the start he would swan in get a drink and make conversation. I was very clear I don't want to make any conversation with him. He has lied. Stolen cheated and betrayed me. Why would I want to be his friend.
I hope the house sells quickly for you and you can start your new chapter. I imagine the limbo is horrible. I know I can't wait to pay ex off but it will be at least another year or so yet. But I will be glad to cut that last tie.

He text asking for the details of the guy who wrote our wills. I re did mine ages ago. Think he was hoping for a reaction. I just took a picture of the business card and sent it to him.

It is just shit. They are not the people they use to be. I missed the good kind loyal man he use to be. That person has long gone. Now he is being a complete arse.

Wintersnow17 · 30/05/2018 12:41

Once more Eve, that could have been me writing your post, from wanting to have friendly chats to re writing wills, I did mine ages ago, he got a shock when I told him that X They don't get it. X it's slowly dawning in mine that actually I don't want anything to do with him .

Lonelycrab · 30/05/2018 18:56

Hey everyone I’ve got chatty ex syndrome too. Lots of needless texts about our ds when I have him- is he ok has he had a snack etc with bits of small talk she’s put there for me to small talk back. Except I’m ignoring them. Still not making eye contact on changeover but there you go. I despise her for the turmoil she’s causing my son and the way she’s treated me, after all I did for her. It will probably ease over time but right now she can go do one as far as I’m concerned.

Have got my ds for our second mini holiday, I’ve hot him till Monday pm. Happy days! Had quite a few viewings on our house but no bites as yet. So the limbo continues....

eve34 · 30/05/2018 21:11

Evening all

Winter funny how they all follow a similar pattern. My ex has turned nasty. Apparently I had my chance of us being friends and I blew it. Waved happily and said well we have another 15 years of this then. 🙄

Crab. Hope you and ds have a fab weekend. Funny how ex has turned all friendly. I am still over whelmed about the strength of my feelings towards ex. They are still as hurt/raw/angry as I was 5 months ago. I still stand by his behaviour being unforgivable.

My sister got married last year. My mum turned to me and said that is the last time I will have to see your dad ever. He left her 40 years ago. I understand why now.

mammynowanauntyIRL · 31/05/2018 07:46

eve that's good that your parents put their differences aside for their children's weddings. My friends ex won't even attend his daughters graduation because she'll be there, he's remarried with two young children and she's been separated from him for at least 17 years.

H thinks we're friends now, he 'chats' to me in the evenings, I give limited unemotional responses. He just text me now that he's had a break down, he drives a truck, I don't care!

Lonelycrab · 31/05/2018 16:11

Afternoon all hope you all doing ok. Got the sun out here after a wet lunchtime and have been trying to get my son with the hose in the garden. He loves that game.

Reading back the last few pages of this thread I’m starting to feel the same kind of low ebb that crumps was talking about a week ago. It’s not the intense sadness of the first few weeks, just a feeling of loneliness that will be with me for quite some time. I feel like I’ll never meet anyone now and that’s it, in terms of good times for me now.

That’s just me feeling depressed I know, but wish I could feel more positive. I’ve been trying my luck on Pof and that’s been doing me no favours, can’t seem to get a single message back. I’m not exactly brad pitt but I’m not completely unattractive I’d like to think. I know I’m not ready for anything new just yet- maybe others can sense that a mile off. Ho hum.

eve34 · 01/06/2018 22:57

Evening all

Well kids have gone for first full weekend of contact. Sad really that he has been gone since Christmas and this is the first full weekend they have done. Says a lot.

Been a roller coaster of a week all round. We have all been sick one after another. And weather hasn't helped. I just feel that I can't feel happiness. I miss the kids when they aren't hear. But have spent the week feeling low because I know they were going. I just can't seem to make the most of them. Guess I will get use to it in time.

Crab. I know how you feel. You need a very thick skin for on line dating. It brings out the worst in people and I think we are both at a stage we are still very sensitive. There is another chapter for us. But I think it is a bit further down the line. I am torn as I can't imagine ever being with anyone else, but then also feel that once I move on he won't have such a hold over my feelings. They will be focused on someone else. And that will be part of the healing process. What do I know. I have never been in this position before.

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend. Another week behind us all.

mammynowanauntyIRL · 02/06/2018 17:33

Eve how are you feeling today ?

eve34 · 03/06/2018 01:04

Mammy thank you for checking in on me. I do seem to of monopolised this thread with my woes.

I'm ok. Just back from seeing the Rolling Stones. Whilst driving there ex phoned and said eldest was feeling sick and he knows he shouldn't be sending him back to me but it isnt ideal as he is in a house share. Replied that there wasnt a lot I could do as I was 150 miles away. Not heard anything since.

Was glad I was so far away otherwise I would of had him home. Felt guilty for dc. But pleased that ex has to actually do some parenting. I fully expect dc to be fine. Was probably just bored and wanted to be home with all its comforts.

Hope this finds everyone enjoying the lovely sunshine.

mammynowanauntyIRL · 03/06/2018 10:59

Glad you did something for you, was concert good?

H went out last night & text at 11pm that he wouldn't be home until the morning, totally out of character.

Moocow72 · 03/06/2018 11:09

Hi All

Hope we're all doing OK.

Eve - sounds like your ex is being an ar$e but good that you can see him for what he is and you're doing what you need to to protect yourself as much as you can.

I'm feeling very much how alot of you are describing, just a general "sadness" about the situation and a realisation that this is how things are going to be and I need to start and make the most out of my life.

I am worried that I may crash in a spectacular fashion in a couple of weeks as eldest will finish his exams. He's just over half way now but each week is very much driven around tutor sessions at the house, revision sessions at school and generally getting him through each day and keeping him positive. I know that once he's finally finished it's going to be such a relief for him and I can't wait as I remember what that summer was like when you'd finished exams, it was lovely to be able to de-stress for a few weeks and he certainly needs it.

But I worry that without that going on that it will hit me even more, but I know that it's my responsibility to deal with it. I'm looking forward to giving my youngest a bit more attention but I know that even though as a mother my kids will always be me priority, I can't use what is going on in their lives as a distraction from dealing with mine.

Myself and ex exchange brief messages these days just about practical or kids stuff. To be honest I've just felt disappointed with him really - when we discussed about splitting up he said he knew he didn't behave properly and didn't do his share with the kids/house etc. and drank too much but felt that once we were separated he could be a better Dad etc. At the time I took it all with a pinch of salt as he always had a habit of blaming other things on his failings. But perhaps deep down I thought he may suddenly become this pro-active, happy, responsible person when I wasn't there making him miserable.

Turns out he hasn't really changed as far as I can see. I asked him to sort out the eldest's prom suit with him as I thought it would be a nice thing for them to do plus obviously he has more experience buying suits than me. Weeks went by and eldest asked me a couple of days ago when he was getting his suit so basically ex had done nothing and the prom is three weeks away. So we got on the internet and sorted one out - tried it on yesterday and he looked lovely. Thought I'd send ex a picture (without any sarky comments about him not sorting it) and he replied with a thumbs up and then a comment "Has he not got brown shoes ? Black looks OK but brown is better". I bit my lip not to reply with "Well if you'd sorted this weeks ago when I asked then you could have advised him" but I just replied with "No he wanted black" and left it at that.

We were also together as a family for the first time in ages at the eldest's football presentation. It was OK but as we were walking away (eldest wasn't within earshot) ex asked about what eldest was doing with regards to the scholarship programme and I just replied "He's accepted the conditional offer as that is what he wants to do, but obviously over the summer he may change his mind and want to go to college so we'll just see what happens" and all he could say in reply was "Well I think he's making a mistake" to which I said "Ok" and left it at that.

It just really irritates me how negative he is about seemingly everything. Perhaps I notice it more now that we're not together.

Plus just other things I generally hear from his parents that he doesn't ring them or see them or do anything at all make me think he hasn't changed as is still selfish. I used to make excuses for him when we were together but not any more.

But like I say it's no surprise really as people just suddenly don't completely change personality overnight - maybe it is finally dawning on him that he has no one else to blame and his failings really are his own responsibility.

I try not to think about it too much though as it's not my problem anymore.

On a practical note, we're still in the house with no plans to change things. I am paying lions share of things but it's manageable, and ex is about to move from his house to a flat. Not sure on reasons but suspect it's a combination of rent being cheaper and the fact he doesn't need a garden either to use or maintain. I'm not sure how long this will go on for - but if we sell and pay off majority of debt then I will need to take more from ex each month as I will do it properly (ie child maintenance etc.) and not be so generous as basically I will have to rent somewhere smaller with the added costs that will incur.

I think I just need to get a grip of myself a bit. I've been keeping busy and making sure I walk the dog alot each day as exercise helps and am arranging to go out with friends next weekend for a meal.

Maybe I need to use the approach I use for my eldest's exams when I tell him "Take one day at a time".

Hugs to all xx

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eve34 · 03/06/2018 14:07

Afternoon all

Mammy yes the concert was good. It was a birthday present for my Mum. She was a massive fan when she was younger so pleased I made the effort for her.
I expect yours is trying to make you wonder what he is up too. Try not to rise to it. Hopefully a step in him finally moving out?

Moo. Sounds like you have done an amazing job keeping things stable for your dc. Especially with exams going on. It is a big adjustment trying to fill time without an other half to do things with. I am sure you will utilise the time once the exams are over and do some fun stuff together.

Yes. I was too fully expecting ex to step up more as a parent but it didn't happen. A family member came to visit last week and was shocked how he has behaved. He won't ever change. He is to busy 'being happy'. Because in his words that is the most important thing. And in my head I say yes and that meant you chucked me and the kids under a bus. But your Happy 🙄

I don't feel angry like I did. I just can't be bothered to waste my energy on him now. I don't want to be friendly. Just a professional relationship about the kids. That chapter is done. And I hate everything about this but I can only change it into a positive. And that's what I am trying to do. It is just going to take time