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Divorce/separation

Here you'll find divorce help and support from other Mners. For legal advice, you may find Advice Now guides useful.

Further support for those starting the divorce process

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NotJanine · 11/04/2017 09:22

New thread so we can carry on supporting each other Smile

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Startoftheyear2017 · 09/08/2017 22:39

Hang in there 🌹🌷🌺🌸

couchtospecialk · 14/08/2017 11:32

I need to join, desperately need some support. Sorry to read the previous posts (as many as I could manage!) but so reassurring to see the support for each other on here.

Yesterday DH admitted he's been having an affair for 6 years. OW joined him on his business trip to Singapore in March. And I found someone else's hair in the shower this morning and realised I'd seen it before and not twigged. The man I loved wouldn't do that to me.

Yesterday was a day of crying. Last night I had 2 hours sleep. Today I am supposed to be working from home but I have my DD's at home and an engineer is here fixing our boiler.

I don't know how I managed to get out of bed this morning and put on this brave face. I'm in physical pain from the profound sadness. Please help me get through the day.

Helpmeltb · 14/08/2017 20:00

Sorry Couch Flowers - take some time to get over the shock but do some practical things asap. Get paperwork together, protect your money, etc. Speak to a solicitor - most offer a free 30mins/hour.

couchtospecialk · 14/08/2017 20:42

Thanks helpme. Can you direct me anywhere that lists exactly what paperwork I need to collate?

Helpmeltb · 14/08/2017 21:58

When I filed for divorce, I had to send the marriage certificate with the forms. Also, if you can put together a quick summary of the assets, debts, savings, etc it will help a solicitor advise you regarding settlements.

If you have joint accounts you can get them frozen by phoning the bank and saying you're in dispute over it - means neither of you can empty them out.

couchtospecialk · 15/08/2017 07:59

Thank you that's helpful. I found a workshop this Saturday morning about understanding the divorce process so think I'll go to that. He's always looked after me financially so I'm sure he wouldn't screw me over in the divorce. Although I hear that divorce can start off cordial but quickly becomes horrible. Is this true? Am I being naive?

I'm so hurt and humiliated but haven't connected with the anger yet. I just feel sorry for us and our DDs. He had a bad childhood due to his parents' acrimonious divorce and he's always said this would be his worse nightmare. He's got to live with that guilt for the rest of his life.

CarrieMayBe · 15/08/2017 09:13

Oh Couch I've been where you are, although mine was only shagging her for 6 months not 6yrs! Horrific either way, I really feel for you and you are doing amazingly well to be even thinking about putting things in place this early on. Wise to do so though.

My ex always looked after me financially but believe me, when they are backed into a corner like a frightened rat that's exactly what they become - a rat. When my ex first left he was paying a generous amount of maintenance but he suddenly stopped last month with no warning. I opened a case with CMS and got their decision through yesterday - he has told them he only earns £15k a year. Because he is self employed they haven't looked into the dividends he pays himself or anything else and therefore awarded me £135/month for 3 children! The wages he pays himself amount to £28,600 alone and these go directly into our joint account that I no longer use but still have access to. His actual income is even higher than that as his rent and vehicle costs come out of his business. He is the lowest of the low now in my eyes. All because it has finally dawned on him that the split of our assets is unlikely to be 50/50 and it's killing him to see that I may come out of this better than him. Except I won't as I've been a SAHM for the past 10yrs and my earning potential is virtually nothing compared to his so he'll always be better off than me.

Get your ducks in a row and get a good solicitor. Don't make any agreements with your husband until you've had advice. And keep talking on here, we all know what you're going through unfortunately.

couchtospecialk · 15/08/2017 10:26

Thank you Carrie. Gosh I'm in exactly the same situation. DH owns his own business and pays himself £20k a year but takes dividends. Can't they include the dividends or business income then? He is financially savvy, oh god... My name is on the mortgage though but thinking back he was reluctant to do this at the time. He asked me if we could agree the finances between ourselves and then go to a lawyer to save on costs. Am I setting myself up for a fall? His mother is financially savvy too and I imagine was the reason his parents divorced got so hideous.

My cousin is a family law solicitor, I might see if she'll advise me informally though imagine it's annoying when people do this.

I've become shaky, can feel my heart palpitating and my knees feel like they might buckle. Have told girls I'm having a migraine cluster that's why my face is blotchy and I look ill Sad

CarrieMayBe · 15/08/2017 12:29

They will include his dividends but only after their initial calculation. You have to then ask for a mandatory recalculation where they dig a bit deeper.

You cannot trust your husband, however much they may appear to be amicable you have to remember that they've already shown themselves to be lying, cheating bastards with their infidelity so why would they play ball now? I fell into this trap initially but my eyes have been opened very wide now.

Agree nothing, let him know nothing of your intentions until you have sought legal advice. You will come out of it ok in the end but I won't pretend it's plain sailing, it's killing me at times but I cannot let him break me again.

If you have any of his company accounts to hand for previous years then get hold of them, is it a ltd company? If so, you can get abbreviated accounts from companies house online, these are useful to show your solicitor initially until he has to provide his full financial declaration. Just to give a rough idea of his business activities. But be aware that he will likely be doing all he can from now on to dispose of assets within the business or hide money. The quicker you can get the ball rolling the better as he will need to provide bank statements going back 12 months and therefore cannot squirrel away too much without it becoming fairly obvious later down the line.

It's a minefield and when you're already on such a rollercoaster of emotions it's incredibly tough. My main advice would be to confide in family and friends, I found this so difficult to do at the start but my god, they have saved me. Really, really. You cannot do this alone so get support in place to pull you through when you think you cannot take any more.

CarrieMayBe · 15/08/2017 12:31

How old are your girls Couch?

couchtospecialk · 15/08/2017 18:20

Carrie I told myself yesterday to find 3 positive things each day and you've been one of mine today. The comments have helped so much thank you xxx

CarrieMayBe · 15/08/2017 20:52

Oh Couch, no need to thank me. I've been there remember and if I can be any help at all then please feel free to pm me.

I think you're doing amazingly well but you'll be in a state of shock. You need time to process what has happened, a lot of the divorce stuff can wait for a little while whilst you get your own head together. Be kind to yourself, the anger will carry you through when it comes but I remember only too well the utter devastation I felt when I caught my husband out. I was a mess and he truly broke me.

However, 9 months on, I'm strong again. Mostly. The divorce wears me down but I'm over him, he's more than shown his true colours and that's helped me see that I'm so much better off without him. It didn't come overnight for me though, it took quite a while and was very much like a bereavement.

Has he left the house?

couchtospecialk · 16/08/2017 03:34

Hello everyone, how are you all doing? Flowers

I'm here... not sleeping. Carrie I forgot to say that my DDs are 8 & 6. I am definitely in shock and surprised at the actual physical pain I'm in (back, heart palpitations, stomach cramps, headaches). Was at work yesterday which was hard but helped.

I too am a mess right now, I need to start seeing how he's really been within our marriage as opposed to the rose tinted version of someone in love. So reassurring to hear that you come through it but I feel so devastated for our DDs and telling them will just break me. They're emotional little girls at the best of times and whichever way you look at them this will scar them for life.

couchtospecialk · 16/08/2017 03:36

Whichever way you look at 'it' not 'them'. Good grief it's affecting my ability to write...

CarrieMayBe · 16/08/2017 08:15

Your girls are the same age my youngest children were when my split happened.

I was worried sick about how they would deal with it and everybody kept telling me that kids are tougher than you think. Not mine, I would say, mine are proper drama llamas and so sensitive. It's going to be horrific.

Actually, they took it ok. Yes they were very upset but they were nothing like as bad as I thought they would be. My eldest spent a lot of time talking to me, mostly at night, and was tearful but my youngest just kind of accepted it. They are both struggling again now as I've had to tell them the house will be sold.

I found it easier once they knew as I could be upset in front of them when I really couldn't hide it, keeping it all a secret was far harder if I'm honest.

Hope you managed to get back to sleep Couch Flowers

CarrieMayBe · 16/08/2017 08:18

Oh, and I made sure he told them he was leaving. I wasn't doing that bit for him. I was there too but I let him do all the talking initially so they could see that leaving was very much a decision he had made, alone.

I wish I'd told them he had an affair though, they still can't get their heads around why he left me, what did I do wrong to stop him loving me? Be honest and don't cover up for him would be my advice.

couchtospecialk · 16/08/2017 18:59

Oh gosh I've read that you shouldn't appoint blame on a parent to kids. Not a clue how to handle it yet.

I have a hunch my DDs will be the same, youngest will accept it, eldest will be tearful and talk to me a lot.

I'm struggling with having no-one close to me that knows. My sister has been a rock but she lives far away. I'm not sure how I've pulled this week off so far - my hands are so shaky and heart palpitating all the time. Guess it's heartbreak. I'm a mess but had a productive day at work and met a big deadline. So I'll celebrate with an early night and a cry Confused

We are due to go on a family holiday on sunday. I wish I couldn't go but the girls are so excited and as a lovely MNer suggested, I'm going to use it as an opportunity for them to see us civil but spending time apart e.g. you go with daddy and do this while mummy relaxes and I'll see you later. H just asked me whether he can put his dirty clothes in with ours and is now pissed off that I said sorry no I can't bring myself to wash them. Also pissed off that I said we're not sleeping in the same bed. Time to establish boundaries.... kindly but firmly.

I'm all me me me, how are the rest of you? Flowers

CarrieMayBe · 17/08/2017 11:58

How are you today couch? I wish you all the luck with your family holiday, you're a bigger person than I am I'm afraid if you can manage to pull it off but I admire your selflessness for the children's sakes. I had to pretend everything was fine for Christmas and Boxing Day, knowing he was going to break my kids hearts on the 27th and that was hard enough, I deserved an Oscar for that one!

I met with my solicitor yesterday. Ex told me last week that he wanted to attend mediation, which I agreed to but only if he provided full financial disclosure prior to it as otherwise we have nothing to base any negotiations around. I have no idea of the value of his business or his financial status at the present time without his disclosure. Anyway, he promised he'd get it all sent through.

However, yesterday morning my Solicitor was informed that an application had been made for any future court proceedings to be heard at our local county court rather than at Bury St Edmunds. This, therefore, means he is about to initiate court proceedings and in order to have put this application in he has already had to talk to a mediator and tell them he doesn't wish to attend.

Yet another example of his lying and attempts to manipulate me.

I'm awaiting an email from my solicitor today with a draft letter to send to his solicitor, she has promised it will be hard hitting especially with regards to abruptly ceasing maintenance payments. Got a letter through from CMS yesterday, I had assumed they had worked their initial calculation of maintenance on his gross earnings of £15k. In actual fact, they are going on a figure of £10k! The bloody man's rent is £900/month - go figure! He's so full of shit that it's actually becoming amusing...or at least it would be if I wasn't in the financial difficulties I'm currently facing 🙄

couchtospecialk · 17/08/2017 12:12

Afternoon Carrie Flowers You had to pretend over Christmas and Boxing Day?! Good god, assume the Oscar is up on the mantelpiece. How long is it since you started divorce proceedings? How long did it take STBXH to turn nasty? What a shitty way to approach it. He sounds very deceptive. Stay strong and focussed, you've got this.

I'm not sure whether I've got this though my sister assures me that "we've got this" which is lovely Halo I'm feeling stronger today. Thinking at the moment that I won't take my full entitlement. I just want enough to be able to live and provide for the girls. It would feel like dirty money anyway and I want to model a better set of morals for STBXH and DDs. It wouldn't be in the girls best interests to see him financially ruined either and would make co-parenting hell.

couchtospecialk · 17/08/2017 12:23

Carrie just seen your message on the other thread. Maybe you're right. It's only day 5 and I think next step is to decide where we're going to live (stay in London where my earning potential is greater or move back to the Midlands where living is cheaper but jobs scarce) then work out my living costs. I've just become self employed so might affect my chances of getting a mortgage. I really need to see how much I need to live. I have no savings though. Might leave him with his pension and just have a slightly bigger chunk of the house and no continuing spousal support. We chatted last night about what I'm entitled to which came as a shock to him. It made him really upset and angry which I know comes from seeing his dad virtually penniless. I haven't told him anything of what I want to do, merely told him what I'm entitled to (after talking to my divorce lawyer cousin!) and said that I don't wish to take him to the cleaners. I earn a decent salary though more than half what he does.

Am I being naive?! Going with my gut instinct at the moment which if I'd listened to it years ago, would've told me he was playing away...

couchtospecialk · 17/08/2017 12:23

I have my own pension btw

sothisisnew · 17/08/2017 12:37

I've just commented on your other thread Couch, but I see here's the extra info. I'm sorry about what's happened, it sounds like you're doing an amazing job in a horrible situation.

I'd just like to say it's really admirable that you're trying to do the right thing, as an example to your DDs.

CarrieMayBe · 17/08/2017 12:42

Ex told me a week before Christmas that he was leaving. I'd caught him out at the beginning of November but begged him to stay, I was terrified of ripping the kids worlds apart. He spent 6 weeks trying to decide what to do, poor soul Hmm. In the meantime I became a total wreck. My weight crashed to 5.5 stone, I was ill with a chest infection that wouldn't shift and my gp wanted to admit me to hospital to get me away from the whole situation. I didn't tell a soul what was going on apart from my MIL. The children didn't know anything was going on. I wasn't allowed to mention his affair as that just gave him the proof he needed that I wouldn't be able to move on from it and he would swing from saying he would stay to deciding to leave.

When he finally made his mind up it was a relief almost. But he refused to go before Christmas was over and I had to decide whether to drop the bomb on everyone before it or after it. I chose the latter and it was utter hell. I had to listen whilst my dad repeated constantly what a wonderful husband I had as he cooked the Christmas dinner!

He told the children on the 27th and left that day. It got easier once he was out of the house, even though the kids were in pieces but I had to kick myself hard and be strong for them which helped me through it also.

Your sister sounds exactly what you need right now, someone to hold you together when you're unable to.

Be careful what you say to your ex, even giving him warning of what you're entitled to when he isn't already aware will help him prepare his finances etc. Let him find out in time from his own legal representation.

When the time comes, you will both have to fill out a Form E. This is your financial declaration where you will have to detail all income and expenditure (right down to the last penny so even things like toiletries and presents for the kids friend's birthdays etc) which will help you work out what you need versus what you're getting currently.

I don't think you're being naive but I do believe from my experience there's a definite element of wishful thinking. I remember my ex, just before he left when he still felt a tiny modicum of guilt, promising me he'd even set up a holiday fund for me and the kids so that they wouldn't have less of a standard of living when with me than they do with him. Needless to say, that hasn't happened. He isn't even paying maintenance and won't contribute to their uniforms this month in lieu of maintenance so I actually laugh when I think back to that earlier conversation!

I started divorce proceedings in March. He has caused delays all the way through but we got the decree Nisi at the beginning of July. I could, in theory, apply for the absolute now but I'm not going to until we've reached financial settlement. First court date could be as soon as November. If your ex plays ball then it can happen quicker than it has for me, my ex has refused to respond to most things and needed chasing up every time. I have also spent over £3,000 so far and I'm looking at around £25-28,000 if it goes to a 3rd hearing with barristers. Scary stuff.

CarrieMayBe · 17/08/2017 13:03

Oh, and ex turned nasty at the point where he realised that I was no longer the meek, controllable woman I had been during our marriage. Once he saw that I had excellent support from friends and family, and legal advice that I was prepared to follow despite his threats, he knew he was on a losing streak in terms of no longer being able to tell me that this is how it was being done, and I had to do it.

It was about a month into the divorce process I think. Certainly fairly early on. I have remained calm on the outside towards him at all times and haven't bitten when he has sent me abusive texts and threats. Which only winds him up more but I refuse to let him see that he gets to me.

I have played ball in regards to access to the children, because I believe it's in their best interests to have that relationship with their father, and at the moment I am holding the moral high ground whereas hopefully, he is hanging himself by doing the unreasonable things he's doing.

couchtospecialk · 17/08/2017 14:17

Jeeeeesus £25-28 grand?! Scary indeed. He's the one that caused all this. Bloody men and their egos. You've made me realise that that is my fear here. That STBXH will realise that I'm no longer able to be controlled/persuaded by him and will turn nasty. Once we start telling people especially my parents (who currently love him but will FREAK OUT) I think he risks shutting off his compassion and turning then. I want to show him I have strong support and make him understand that I'm being fair. Probably wishful thinking...

You sounds like you're being incredibly strong Carrie. Are you finding the counselling helpful? Assume that's just you not joint? I should probably find some therapy...I can't yet grasp the enormity of what's about to happen.

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