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Coming Clean by Liz Fraser

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RhinoRhino · 25/06/2023 12:13

A couple of threads that I had posted on relating to the Memoir ‘Coming Clean’ by Liz Fraser have been deleted from the MN site, apparently due to non-compliance of the MN guidelines from the posters. MN are obviously well within their rights to delete threads if they demonstrably fail to comply with their guidelines, nevertheless I feel strongly that MN posters are given a platform to critique this book, and also any other public ventures by this author. It would be neither fair nor right that posters are completely silenced in this particular matter.

As such, and in line with Mumsnet not seeing “anything wrong with honest feedback” I would like to make the comment that Coming Clean as a Memoir falls short due to the shaky and not entirely truthful narrative. There are certain facts contained within this memoir that are easily disprovable (for example, relating to the marital status of both author and her partner when they started their ill-fated affair), which leaves a massive question mark over the rest of the book. Is it entirely reasonable to make money from something that is promoted as truthful when it is, in fact, not entirely true?

I think there are people whose lives have been negatively impacted by the book and its subject matter, and I hope that MN will agree that these people should have a voice, as should anybody who wants to comment on a published piece of work.

As long as posters align their comments with the MN guidelines, this is a topic that people may wish to keep discussing, and also keep in the public domain. And if MN wants to provide a set of rules particular to this thread – certainly if they are arbitrary and differ from the general guidelines - I am sure it would be very helpful.

Mumsnet, please help us to help each other by keeping in the public domain something that us silenced mums feel should be out there.

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Shortbread49 · 25/08/2023 22:55

Sarah Middleton is an artist and arts consultant with lovely watercolours doesn’t seem to be a divorce coach unless she is branching out

SplatPancake · 26/08/2023 06:22

@Umbrella99 or @Umbrellaisback (sorry, can’t remember which one of you was asking!) - I don’t currently have the ability to generate a TL invite code. Not sure if I used up my lifetime’s supply a few weeks back 😜, or the functionality is just not available at the moment.? I’ll keep an eye out.

Meanwhile I think you can just view the thread - lots of interesting chatter about the Oxford air bnb shenanigans at the moment (no one over there knew…again, poor S)

Umbrellaisback · 26/08/2023 07:07

Both me (rejoined) thank you! Been reading with interest!

GreekDogRescue · 26/08/2023 08:32

What I’d give to read the Airbnb reviews. Sadly I find the Airbnb very difficult to navigate.

Tortiemiaw · 26/08/2023 10:00

I just made the mistake of watching her reel on insta. 🤮 what an old silly - that accidental reflection of her in her teeny jammies! Liz!! You're a one!

Such a lucky coincidence the Guest book was on the table to casually flick through!!!! And what incredible reviews that she'd never ever ever read before.

And a copy of Coming Clean on the bookshelf. SO MANY GUESTS READ IT. Finally (sincere face in reflection), her life is ALL ABOUT making things easier for others.
I'm proper touched by all that. PROPER!!

Alightening · 26/08/2023 10:20

Tortiemiaw · 26/08/2023 10:00

I just made the mistake of watching her reel on insta. 🤮 what an old silly - that accidental reflection of her in her teeny jammies! Liz!! You're a one!

Such a lucky coincidence the Guest book was on the table to casually flick through!!!! And what incredible reviews that she'd never ever ever read before.

And a copy of Coming Clean on the bookshelf. SO MANY GUESTS READ IT. Finally (sincere face in reflection), her life is ALL ABOUT making things easier for others.
I'm proper touched by all that. PROPER!!

That reel is actually vomit inducing 🤬. The lives she’s ruined and continues to ruin.

Shortbread49 · 26/08/2023 10:24

Why would someone who doesn’t drink and only holds alcoholic drinks for a sip and photographic posing purposes leave themselves 2 Campari spritz in the fridge for their next visit 🥂

Springtime1973 · 26/08/2023 10:29

28c inside her Venetzzzziyah flat at 8am. There is absolutely no chance I would be renting this.

Or advertising how unbearably, sleep preventing hot it is 🥵. She’s such a silly moo.

Also, imagine trying to retreat with her fake voice going on and on and on about HER and how great SHE is because the retreat will also be all about her!

You know the second you annoy her, probably just by suggesting you eat, the dulcet, come hither boys for a good time, tones will revert to screeching, swearing banshee!

So fake! So few comments in the visitor’s book. 4/5 years and just a handful!

Ellishyde · 26/08/2023 10:34

Shortbread49 · 26/08/2023 10:24

Why would someone who doesn’t drink and only holds alcoholic drinks for a sip and photographic posing purposes leave themselves 2 Campari spritz in the fridge for their next visit 🥂

This.

Clearly left behind.

Or

Clearly has a problem if drinking alone after midnight with a young child asleep after a long, delayed journey.

She waves so many child protection red flags.

Shortbread49 · 26/08/2023 10:37

That’s the sort of visitors book it is easy to
rip pages from it probably had more reviews but any with the slightest negative comment was ripped out

Raffington55 · 26/08/2023 11:07

@Ellishyde as someone who doesn't drink I can tell you with absolute certainty that if she had a drinking problem she'd be hiding it, not advertising it alone late at night. What's notable here though is the mindfuckery, going from saying she doesn't drink to showing these. I expect she gets off on this thread - narcissists love ALL (Liz caps) attention - negative as well as positive. It's called narcissistic supply and they lap it all up.

Ellishyde · 26/08/2023 11:41

Raffington55 · 26/08/2023 11:07

@Ellishyde as someone who doesn't drink I can tell you with absolute certainty that if she had a drinking problem she'd be hiding it, not advertising it alone late at night. What's notable here though is the mindfuckery, going from saying she doesn't drink to showing these. I expect she gets off on this thread - narcissists love ALL (Liz caps) attention - negative as well as positive. It's called narcissistic supply and they lap it all up.

What a freak she is!

RhinoRhino · 26/08/2023 11:55

Ms Fraser: "I LOVE MY NEW WORK and the pampering and luxury it comes with."

Erm. That’s really nice. Glad she’s happy. But …….. What work are we talking about? Does said ‘work’ involve a service or a product? Does said ‘work’ actually involve any work? Has she got a new SM account for work? Is she on the staff list of the swanky hotels in Venice and Salzburg? Does she tag them into her SM posts? Has anything actually happened? I mean (yes - I know I bang on about this) Headcase produced nothing, Wedgie Press has produced nothing, the writing retreats have never materialized, the tutoring seemed to fizzle out after 1 or 2 sessions, the ‘novel’ is yet to be published (or – no doubt - written), and the Ambassador has not spoiled us with any Ferrero Rochers. Nor any sign-posting to helpful DV/DA organisations for that matter. And let us not forget that the one piece of completed work in recent years was marred by omissions and untruths. Less Coming Clean, more a one-sided attempt at Wiping Clean.

Not sure what the associated pampering and luxury is, either. Any one of us who had the financial means could rock up at a top hotel, order a Campari and do lengths in the pool. That’s not working. That’s going on holiday. From my own experience working for a luxury hotel chain involves long hours, poor pay, lots of stress and high staff turnover. The luxury is all guest-side. Unless, as previously speculated, Liz is to be resident swimmer at said top hotels.

In any case, I actually don’t know why I am even giving this ‘work’ thing any credibility. Past experience should have told me not to waste any time on speculation. Ms Fraser’s ‘work’ rarely seems to involve anything more than photos of herself, SM posts about herself, and occasionally referencing TRAUMA, THINGS and STUFF.

Lastly on this topic, there was a woman in Venice Liz was trying to get in with when she first moved there with Mike and the baby. Forgotten the name, but the woman's line of business seemed to be luxury Venice trips, travel consultancy, and she seemed to be something at a private island in Venice (with private boat etc). She seemed to flit between Venice and another European city, poss in Switzerland. Is Liz now cannibalizing this woman’s life, as she has done previously with other women?

Next ….. The child in running buggy thing. Each to his own and all that, but is this fixation with running everywhere with an overaged child squished into a push-chair meant for a toddler (presumably under a pile of bags and rucksacks) really something to draw attention to? I’m not sure Ms Fraser pushing a nearly 6-yo around while she runs hither and thither is that much different to an obese mother in her mobility scooter, small child cocked on her knee or squished in with all the shopping bags in the footwell, as she goes about her day. Either way the disordered eating and exercise habits of the mother is affecting the freedom of movement of the child. It doesn’t seem very dignified for the child, to me. In fact, I find it pretty sad for a mother to choose to do this. If it was one of my friends or family I definitely think I’d have a gentle word.

Lastly, for now, don’t worry Liz. I am not fooled by the luxury. Not a bit of it. I just see a single parent, oversized child, pushchair and a load of bags and baggage. If not for the child and push-chair, it would be just how my student kids travel around. Rucksacks, plastic bags and trainers. And a few squished food items in a bag ‘for the journey’. Buses and cheap airlines. Not glamourous at all.

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Umbrellaisback · 26/08/2023 11:55

GreekDogRescue · 26/08/2023 08:32

What I’d give to read the Airbnb reviews. Sadly I find the Airbnb very difficult to navigate.

Same same

Waverleyst · 26/08/2023 12:10

How lonely are you Liz? It looks to the world that you’re very lonely.

Most of what you share, a person with friends and family would share with them.

Are your WhatsApp groups with your ‘village’ and your super fun bantz with your ex, no not that one, and first kids still live or have they put you on mute as have most of your followers? Your social engagement is tanking.

LynetteScavo · 26/08/2023 13:07

Todays post about chatting to the checkout woman in the coop had me absolutely cringing. Then I realised how very few people must show and interest in her and ask how she's doing. If I were really lonely I'd also be grateful if a random shop person asked how I was. Hopefully I wouldn't off load with hand gestures of drunkenness and crying for the queue behind me to see.

Umbrellaisback · 26/08/2023 14:32

I was just thinking that for someone whose other job is marketing and branding, Sarah Middleton doesn’t have much of a brand nor does she seem to be very good at marketing herself. Both roles have zero online presence bar four Insta posts which don’t help much either

Raffington55 · 26/08/2023 15:04

LynetteScavo · 26/08/2023 13:07

Todays post about chatting to the checkout woman in the coop had me absolutely cringing. Then I realised how very few people must show and interest in her and ask how she's doing. If I were really lonely I'd also be grateful if a random shop person asked how I was. Hopefully I wouldn't off load with hand gestures of drunkenness and crying for the queue behind me to see.

The bit about living with an alcoholic - such a gratuitous and nasty dig! He's not reading your Insta Liz! If Liz is so happy - why does she keep telling us how happy she is? When we are truly happy, we don't have to do that.

Wrongsideofliz · 26/08/2023 19:12

Note that she didn’t explain how he’s now 3 years clean and he is co-parenting with her.

Having worked in shops and bars, if this conversation did take place, it was one-sided. She did the talking and the person paid to pretend to listen simply complied. She’s just another customer. If she is remembered, she’ll probably not want to know the reasons why! I’ve served Liz. Oh yes. She has minor legend status… for being a dick!

DemBonesDemBones · 26/08/2023 19:15

She's going to take 'him' up on his offer of a luxury haunt to Ibiza? Is she bringing the poor child with her?

Raffington55 · 26/08/2023 19:20

DemBonesDemBones · 26/08/2023 19:15

She's going to take 'him' up on his offer of a luxury haunt to Ibiza? Is she bringing the poor child with her?

Oh god, she's absolutely desperate to convey that men are interested in her, isn't she? It's getting embarrassing to read anything she posts now.

RhinoRhino · 26/08/2023 21:12

When I'm being served in my local shop I exchange a "how are you?" with the shop assistant, followed by a comment on the weather, and an occasional "it's party night tonight" to explain the cat food, booze and toilet paper in my basket. I think my husband is a bit more expansive and friendly and talks about films with a couple of the people who work there. It has never occurred to me to offer any personal info, or moan to them about anything in my past. (Although sometimes I wonder if I should answer the "how are you?" with a "not good, actually" and launch into an improbably tale of woe, but I always manage to check myself and work out it would be impolite to waste their time on nonsense.)

That's because I am normal.

If I want to moan I will moan to my friends, and if I want to discuss age-old grudges I will do it with one of my siblings who could probably enter the Guinness Book of Records for the length of time held for a grudge, and who remembers every single slight and hurt stretching back many decades ....😂

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RhinoRhino · 26/08/2023 21:35

Did man-fan Bitemesausage get binned off? Schade. The whole concept of a roadside sausage-seller from Colorado being part of the SM fan club was just soooo funny.

I mean, his blocking is not the wurst thing that has ever happened, but sad nevertheless. Wonder if she bid him “chorizo” before the block ……

(I’ll get me coat!)

#ifyouknowyouknow

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TomatoSoupkitchen · 26/08/2023 23:14

My SIL calls Liz Fraser Oxfordshire’s response to Essex’ Katie Price 😂

Raffington55 · 27/08/2023 06:20

RhinoRhino · 26/08/2023 21:35

Did man-fan Bitemesausage get binned off? Schade. The whole concept of a roadside sausage-seller from Colorado being part of the SM fan club was just soooo funny.

I mean, his blocking is not the wurst thing that has ever happened, but sad nevertheless. Wonder if she bid him “chorizo” before the block ……

(I’ll get me coat!)

#ifyouknowyouknow

😂😂 Poor @BiteMeSausage. His time must have been up. Liz is keen for us all (well, her happily coupled exes mainly) to believe that she is off to sausages (sorry, pastures) new, and that she has the pick of ALL the sausages 😆

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