Coming Clean by Liz Fraser

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A couple of threads that I had posted on relating to the Memoir ‘Coming Clean’ by Liz Fraser have been deleted from the MN site, apparently due to non-compliance of the MN guidelines from the posters. MN are obviously well within their rights to delete threads if they demonstrably fail to comply with their guidelines, nevertheless I feel strongly that MN posters are given a platform to critique this book, and also any other public ventures by this author. It would be neither fair nor right that posters are completely silenced in this particular matter.

As such, and in line with Mumsnet not seeing “anything wrong with honest feedback” I would like to make the comment that Coming Clean as a Memoir falls short due to the shaky and not entirely truthful narrative. There are certain facts contained within this memoir that are easily disprovable (for example, relating to the marital status of both author and her partner when they started their ill-fated affair), which leaves a massive question mark over the rest of the book. Is it entirely reasonable to make money from something that is promoted as truthful when it is, in fact, not entirely true?

I think there are people whose lives have been negatively impacted by the book and its subject matter, and I hope that MN will agree that these people should have a voice, as should anybody who wants to comment on a published piece of work.

As long as posters align their comments with the MN guidelines, this is a topic that people may wish to keep discussing, and also keep in the public domain. And if MN wants to provide a set of rules particular to this thread – certainly if they are arbitrary and differ from the general guidelines - I am sure it would be very helpful.

Mumsnet, please help us to help each other by keeping in the public domain something that us silenced mums feel should be out there.

@LibertyLily Yes, I think you are correct that the one-upmanship with Mike is part of the current manic holidaying situation. How bloody tragic, though, to make it your life's work to try to reel back in a bloke who has moved on from you and who wasn't even much cop as a boyfriend in the first place. What an absolute waste of time! What does it say about Ms Fraser's self esteem that even now - years on from Mike leaving her - practically everything she does is a desperate attempt to garner attention from somebody who only seemed to tap off with her because she played on his weakness and got him drunk while his wife was away?

I notice that she threw in that she got some surfer's number also - that was pretty tragic too. Trying to make someone jealous? It's too late Liz!

Where was Scout when Liz was surfing and picking up young men? As always, clearly not front of mind while near water.. Even if just for safety’s sake, this is why it would be so good if the two of them holiday with another single mum and child. Perhaps the barrister-of-the-year-2002, who for a night and the next day was one of her best friends from uni, another ‘one night out is enough for me’ friend of Liz. If, as has been mentioned by others, she took Scout to a holiday resort, she could hung the poor kid in the holiday club and pursue the instructors. Neil don Holidays should be middle class and sporty enough for her! I’m sure she can pull some PR strings for a freebie 😂

I actually think the trip she’s on now would be fun for a young child apart from the 5.30am starts so her mother can run. But I find her latest post thoroughly disingenuous.

please don’t complain about having to cope through two winters of a cost of living crisis when you have two mortgage-free properties and go on more holidays in a year than most people can afford in a decade.

and please please don’t say you’ve never complained. It’s all you have done until this recent spate of never been happier posts when you’ve realised the old look was bad for would-be employers (there’s even a book about it)

im still mystified by huge global hotel chains being able to bypass their creative agencies to employ freelancers in this way but that’s by the by

When he broke off their engagement, she was still married to the man she claimed she was blissfully married to for 20 happy years (Harry too sent the papers without warning they would arrive - there is a pattern here). Previously I understood Mike just left. It seems he did actually take her out and explain the engagement was off. Whether she accepted his reasons is neither here nor there. An engagement is not legally binding. A marriage is. Had they married, it would have been a bigamist marriage. At least she was still married to another.

Most of us have been dumped. It hurts. We beg forgiveness. Promise to change. Ultimately, if one wants out, it’s never going to work. Her first marriage was punctuated by affairs. Once sober, Mike possibly thought her second might also be 🤷‍♀️. Either way, she needs to let it go.

As for surviving two winters of cost of living crisis, it’s ongoing and there is zero chance she’s invoiced any of these clients yet - for work delivered 🤡 or expenses, which will be plentiful. Quite what they’re paying her to do is anyone’s guess. Quite likely theirs too!

She actually honestly thinks she struggled through that mildly inconvenient COL crisis - that silly old thing that is obviously over now because...well...Venice and Munich and Copenhagen and everything.

I guess we're all through it too!! Must just online check-in for all my city breaks now we don't have to worry about it!!

Phew!

Hopefully she’s over being dumped now it’s two years. She got m to dump his wife for her. What did she think was going to happen to her?

Too many smug selfies if she can afford champagne she should refund all those who donated to her coffee fund

I think she's gone insane. All these "I'm blissfully happy, I'm so glad I stuck around in the world" posts. And we have to be constantly reminded of how miserable she has BEEN MADE by others - not how miserable she has MADE HERSELF through her own past behaviour. But now she's come through and has SURVIVED. Survived herself and her own reckless actions more like. Typical narcissist. Shovel all responsibility onto others. You've survived YOU, Liz. Your own shitty decisions and your own shitty past behaviour. You have just about survived your consequences. YOU were the abuser, and many suffered.

Putting aside the fact that nobody normal ever photographs themselves crying and then posts it to social media, Ms Fraser being dumped by the unsuitable boyfriend is not the worst thing to ever happen. It's taking her a long time to get over the rejection, but it's really not the worst thing .....

I mean, she could have been a newly married woman whose husband was led astray by somebody who played on his addictions and got him drunk when his wife was away. (Not excusing the husband here, but what normal woman targets another woman's fella?)

She could have been maybe been left with 3 devastated teenagers after their other parent abandoned them to move abroad with an alcoholic, and subsequently appeared to pay nothing towards their care nor devote any time to their welfare.

She could be somebody of limited means who was duped into donating money to an evidently very wealthy woman disingenously claiming poverty and pulling on the heartstrings of people who have been through real trauma.

She could be a young child whose mother did everything in her power to prevent her from having time with her father.

There are so many things worse than being dumped by somebody who never obviously really cared for you in the first place. Fancy not knowing that it is in a child's best interest to have a meaningful relationship with both parents. Any parenting expert could have put her right on that one.

And imagine being instrumental in so many other people's hurt and never having the self-awareness or humility to acknowledge it? Realising how horrendous your conduct is, and how much it has hurt so many other people definitely would be something worth crying about!

Liz is now entering the third year of being single. She seems to be be incredibly aware of how long she's been single/SOLO/independent and mentions it frequently.

I'm pretty sure I know the man she MAY have met in one of her holidays this year. She did a silly giggle to him when he joined her live video this week. I would tell him to RUN, but I'm sure he'll figure that out for himself soon enough. Or maybe not, and they'll live happily ever after.

Third year of being single means nothing when you’re stuck with the mental age of a 14 year old…

😂😂😂😂

What the actual? Live video chat? Is she inviting people to chat with her live on social media? Dangerous game Lizzie babes.

😆😆😆 More carrot dangling from Ms Fraser this evening - her life has just CHANGED and she hinted at an invitation out earlier. Lord save him is all I can say 🤣 That's it! One encounter and her life has changed. It's like all her projects. Life changing until ..., they aren't. And of course this is no doubt 'something I can't speak about just now'. If she's so very excited my guess is that there's a wife in the background - nothing gets her going more fervently that knowing she's wreaking devastation on another woman. Doesn't quite tie in with the Edgeway mission!

The love of her life, who eluded her at the age of 8, won't escape this time... unless he's already on the run! Can we suppose that a press release is joining the "pending" list?!

@CambridgeBuns Yes! Hope so! With a tearful Oscars-type speech on recovery and thanking 'you lot' (her fans out there in the ether) for all their support. She will put her hand to her heart saying "You know who you all are". She certainly doesn't. Neither does she care so long as th

... so long as they hit 'like' day in, day out 😆

Another 200€ a night hotel room for our Lizzie last night. Nice work grifting this one, unless you bull💩ed about being too ill to work last year.

Venice and Salzburg: famous for both needing and wanting more tourists.

What is S doing whilst she swims lengths in the pool? Is she foisted on a family with similar aged kids?

Holding her clothes and guarding her bike.

Where is Scout while her mother is carving out her business deals? One quirky hotel might think it’s cute to have a child in a meeting. Most, not a chance. Business is business.

Liz would like us to know that she swam 50 lengths of a 50-metre pool - not a 20-metre pool. Did we all get that? She didn't realize it wasn't a 20-metre pool until she though 'hang on, this is taking ages'. Isn't that hilarious? This is her way of showing off with out appearing to show off. But of course we all know exactly what she's doing - showing off under the guise of an unfunny joke - because she does it all the time. Nothing she writes isn't without an objective. Nothing. Everything is me, me, me. I am the thinnest, the fastest, the fittest. Me! She can't even post a picture of her daughter without one of her own body parts in it. Anyone noticed that? A leg, a foot, a Converse. She has to invade any image of her daughter with a part of herself. No, no, no. We can't have Scout getting all the attention. Look at me too! Her self obsession is off the scale.

That sounds impressive I hope she puts more effort in than to her publishing company

A(nother) genuine question from someone who has worked in comms in their time. How is it possible to get an unscheduled meeting with a hotel GM one day and the next have work in comms and business development for that hotel?