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Dogdogdogdig · 27/09/2026 07:03

I feel like an interloper here and apologies if this isnt in the right place.

im really worried about the decision over Drumcree and I can’t see it ending well today either way.

I have no time for Jamie Bryson or Carla Lockhart and it seems that tensions have been stoked on both sides.

My parents (and one set of grandparents) were a mixed marriage - my mum and dad moved to England in the 1960s, and my granny and grandpa moved back in the late 70s/80s once they retired. Im aware I don’t have enough if a real understanding, but I have enough to be worried.

again, im sorry if this is the wrong place or offensive.

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AgeingMillennial · 03/10/2026 19:51

HollyhockDays · 27/09/2026 08:33

Do you live in Northern Ireland? I’m in Belfast and I suspect / worry the Assembly will collapse now. It’s a shitshow anyway. Bring in direct rule, let “the brits” take the unpopular decisions around revenue raising and health and then run the elections next year. I’m no saying that’s the right thing to do but it could happen.

Bryson and Lockhart are the worst of Northern Ireland.

Edited

The British government doesn’t want this and the British public definitely absolutely do not want this either. I think we’re moving to a policy of neutrality now (if recent events are anything to go by), interventionism is wildly unpopular here and we are struggling to make decisions for ourselves.

Sorry to butt in, I follow Irish politics as well as British so was just reading along!

Anonanonanonagain · 03/10/2026 20:34

Are them old lads still living it up in that church? Christ on a bike.

AInightingale · 03/10/2026 22:38

I'm not religious at all, but pretty uncomfortable with churches being used like this. Wish the COI would tell them to sling their hook and take their politics elsewhere.

Cafog · 03/10/2026 23:20

What a show of support for the GR residents today. No AI needed!

Anonanonanonagain · 04/10/2026 00:03

Hopefully the old ballsacks cop on and fuck off soon but I think they will try again. Absolutely making a total and utter show of themselves and their 'order' which should be abolished anyway. What a waste of time marching through streets 2500 a year I mean for fucks sake lads, ye are not peacocks.

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/10/2026 03:08

Anonanonanonagain · 04/10/2026 00:03

Hopefully the old ballsacks cop on and fuck off soon but I think they will try again. Absolutely making a total and utter show of themselves and their 'order' which should be abolished anyway. What a waste of time marching through streets 2500 a year I mean for fucks sake lads, ye are not peacocks.

On the plus side, their wives are chilling out in peace for the first time in decades.🤣🤣🤣

Uricon2 · 04/10/2026 08:42

Today is the 90th anniversary of the Battle of Cable Street, when the East End rose to stop Oswald Mosley marching. It has interesting parallels in terms of being an act of provocation dressed up as exercising 'legitimate rights' (with unpopular legal backing), Blackshirts wanting to parade through a heavily Jewish area, the OO down the predominately Catholic Garvaghy road. What is telling and heartening is that at Cable Street it was far from just Jewish resistance but supported by many other groups who could clearly see the motivations. The massive crowds behind the Garvaghy residents hopefully indicate the same spirit.

Fredflinstoneswife1 · 04/10/2026 09:03

I’ve apparently committed the cardinal sin this week. I questioned the story the world is being told about Garvaghy Road.

For that: sectarian, bigot, hateful, fascist, Nazi, murderer, uneducated and threats.

Meanwhile: “OUR ROAD.” “NO ORANGE FEET.” “CATHOLIC AREA.”

So before throwing another insult or shouting another slogan, pick up a history book instead of a propaganda leaflet.

Because if you’re going to claim ownership of a road, erase an entire community from its past and call anyone who challenges you a bigot, sectarian, fascist or whatever other names you drag up, you’d better be damn sure history backs you up.

It doesn’t.

The Portadown District Orange parade to Drumcree dates back more than 200 years. Garvaghy Road was largely countryside fields and rose-growing land.

The route existed before the estates did.

The Orange Order didn’t invent a route through an established Catholic housing estate. The housing came later.

During the 1950s and 60s new housing was built around Garvaghy Road, with Catholic families from areas including Obins Street and the Tunnel rehoused there.

Then came the Troubles and increasing segregation. Catholics were displaced. Protestants were displaced.

Here’s the part missing from “OUR AREA”. “OUR ROAD”.

PROTESTANTS LIVED THERE TOO. Within living memory.

Paul Beattie, a Protestant 19 year old murdered in 1972 off Churchill Park on Garvaghy Road, shot dead by Irish republican terrorists.

Roy Rutherford, a Protestant 33 year old murdered in 1973 by an IRA booby-trap bomb on Moy Road.

Edward Clayton, a Protestant 27 year old murdered in 1975 by a booby-trap bomb attached to his car planted by Irish republican terrorists near his Portadown home.

Robert McNally, a Protestant 20 year old murdered in 1979 by an INLA booby-trap bomb attached to his car.

John Truckle, a Protestant 61 year old murdered in 1983 by an IRA booby-trap bomb attached to his car outside his Woodside Hill home.

Five names worth remembering when “murderers” is being thrown around.

Then Wendy Reid (Protestant). She lived in Garvaghy Park for 14 years before saying she was intimidated out around 1980. She moved to Woodside Green.

Sixteen years later she left again after the RUC warned of a threat to burn her house down.

As we arrive into 1981 I have to introduce the present day spokesperson and face for Garvaghy Road residents, Breandán Mac Cionnaith known then as Brendan McKenna.

In 1981 he was involved in a Provisional IRA operation to bomb the Royal British Legion hall in Portadown. A Churchill Park family was held hostage, their car taken and used in the bombing.

McKenna was convicted and imprisoned for offences connected with the operation. That’s recorded in the official Rosemary Nelson Inquiry.

Garvaghy Road was still described as having Catholic and Protestant housing. Not exclusively nationalist.

Catholic and Protestant.

There were still 103 Protestant families living at the bottom of Garvaghy Road.

One Protestant woman described smashed windows, kicked doors and children unable to play safely in the park. She described a six-year-old Protestant boy being surrounded by Catholic teenagers, questioned about his religion and then urinated on.

Her response: “I’m not going to be driven out.”

Ivor Young, who helped establish Portadown’s Concerned Protestants Committee, said many Protestants already had been driven out through nationalist intimidation and their experiences were being ignored.

A Catholic resident in the same report disputed that, saying Protestants weren’t being driven out; when they left, they were simply replaced by Catholics. What does driven out and intimidation look like to you?

Both accounts were being made in 1997.

That same year David Trimble told the House of Commons that, following Brendan McKenna’s election, a nationalist election cortege repeatedly travelled through the Protestant Garvaghy Road/Park Road area at around 2am.

According to Trimble, residents were threatened: “YOU WILL BE BURNT OUT BEFORE JULY.”

Shortly after these threats from McKenna’s election cortège, attacks on homes followed.

For accuracy: that is Trimble’s allegation recorded in Hansard. It does not prove who personally made the threat other than McKenna’s cortège.

A Protestant woman told the Irish Times she had lived for years in Churchill Park on Garvaghy Road but her family “had to leave because of attacks by Catholics.”

She wasn’t named. That doesn’t erase her or her story.

Protestant families in King Street and Whitten Close, immediately off Garvaghy Road, reported repeated sectarian attacks.

One reported incident involved allegations of 30 to 40 nationalist youths throwing stones and bottles at Protestant homes. Residents said they believed they were being driven out.

And that’s the part of this history that matters now.

Somewhere between a road where Catholics and Protestants lived, more than 100 Protestant families were still living in 1997, and the Garvaghy Road of today, something changed.

Today the nationalist stretch is overwhelmingly Catholic. In parts, Protestants are reduced to a tiny minority if at all, sometimes only a handful in the local census area.

No, that doesn’t prove every Protestant who left was intimidated out. But don’t insult people’s intelligence by pretending the rest of the history therefore disappears. Again I ask what does intimidation and being driven out look like to you.

We have Protestant residents saying they were intimidated. Families saying attacks forced them out. Others saying they believed they were being driven out. Irish Republican killings in and around this community. A Churchill Park family held hostage during a PIRA operation. And 103 Protestant families still there in 1997.

Then look at the language today:

“OUR AREA.” OUR ROAD.” “NO ORANGE FEET.”

That’s the bit I refuse to swallow.

When exactly did a shared public road become the property of one community?

When did the people who lived there before cease to count? When did changing demographics become ownership? And when did excluding the identity of the community that once lived there become acceptable language from people simultaneously lecturing everyone else about sectarianism?

Because the road didn’t move. The population did.

The history didn’t disappear. The Protestant population largely did.

Whatever arguments people want to have about why, the historical record above means nobody gets to pretend they were never there. And don’t turn this into whataboutery, if you insist on distorting history for propaganda then you must answer for Garvaghy Road, if you resort to whataboutery, you’ve proven yourself to have no answer.

That is what makes “OUR ROAD” so revealing. That is what makes “NO ORANGE FEET” so ugly. And that is what makes what we’re watching in 2026 impossible to separate from what came before.

Sinn Féin, the SDLP and PBP called on people from across Ireland to come to Garvaghy Road. People answered.

The PSNI subsequently described the obstruction as an “unnotified and therefore illegal protest” and warned that evidence gathering could result in criminal justice consequences.

Their words. Their assessment. Not mine. Saying the word peaceful before protest does not suddenly make it lawful.

Men with documented IRA histories have been prominent around the dispute all week. Paraded proudly and revered by all those in attendance while simultaneously telling people residents were living in fear. They aren’t scared to stand with IRA terrorists though, and just to entertain the bussed in crowds, bands sang pro-IRA songs while the crowd joined in.

Yet thirty-five Orangemen peacefully walking along that public road in silence are presented as intolerable.

“NO ORANGE FEET” - but pro-IRA songs.

If Orange identity is so offensive that 35 men cannot peacefully walk along a public road in silence, explain how pro-IRA songs on that road fit with opposition to sectarianism.

And if it’s historically “OUR AREA.” “OUR ROAD”, explain the Protestants who lived there.

You can’t edit them out because they wreck the slogan. You can’t erase republican violence either.

Which brings us straight back to the words being spat at everyone else:

Sectarian. Bigot. Hateful. Murderer. Fascist. Nazi.

I’m not repeating the history. It’s above.

If you’re having difficulty with those words after reading it, go back and read it again.

So from this point on, ignorance is no excuse.

If, knowing that history, you still erase the Protestants who lived there, shout “OUR ROAD” and “NO ORANGE FEET”, then stand listening to songs glorifying the IRA while calling everyone else sectarian, hateful and bigoted, you’ve answered the question yourself.

You don’t hate sectarianism. You thrive in it.

AInightingale · 04/10/2026 10:27

Much food for thought there, @Fredflinstoneswife1. I dislike the OO and think there are much better ways of honouring your religion and Ulster Scots inheritance than marching with noisy bands, but I also recognise that SF are arch propagandists. And I don't believe they care about Ireland at all. They are both Provo apologists and globalist sell-outs, and Drumcree is just performative nationalism for them.

JaneJeffer · 04/10/2026 10:32

The route existed before the estates did.
What’s that got to do with the price of fish?

MILLYmo0se · 04/10/2026 10:37

Fredflinstoneswife1 · 04/10/2026 09:03

I’ve apparently committed the cardinal sin this week. I questioned the story the world is being told about Garvaghy Road.

For that: sectarian, bigot, hateful, fascist, Nazi, murderer, uneducated and threats.

Meanwhile: “OUR ROAD.” “NO ORANGE FEET.” “CATHOLIC AREA.”

So before throwing another insult or shouting another slogan, pick up a history book instead of a propaganda leaflet.

Because if you’re going to claim ownership of a road, erase an entire community from its past and call anyone who challenges you a bigot, sectarian, fascist or whatever other names you drag up, you’d better be damn sure history backs you up.

It doesn’t.

The Portadown District Orange parade to Drumcree dates back more than 200 years. Garvaghy Road was largely countryside fields and rose-growing land.

The route existed before the estates did.

The Orange Order didn’t invent a route through an established Catholic housing estate. The housing came later.

During the 1950s and 60s new housing was built around Garvaghy Road, with Catholic families from areas including Obins Street and the Tunnel rehoused there.

Then came the Troubles and increasing segregation. Catholics were displaced. Protestants were displaced.

Here’s the part missing from “OUR AREA”. “OUR ROAD”.

PROTESTANTS LIVED THERE TOO. Within living memory.

Paul Beattie, a Protestant 19 year old murdered in 1972 off Churchill Park on Garvaghy Road, shot dead by Irish republican terrorists.

Roy Rutherford, a Protestant 33 year old murdered in 1973 by an IRA booby-trap bomb on Moy Road.

Edward Clayton, a Protestant 27 year old murdered in 1975 by a booby-trap bomb attached to his car planted by Irish republican terrorists near his Portadown home.

Robert McNally, a Protestant 20 year old murdered in 1979 by an INLA booby-trap bomb attached to his car.

John Truckle, a Protestant 61 year old murdered in 1983 by an IRA booby-trap bomb attached to his car outside his Woodside Hill home.

Five names worth remembering when “murderers” is being thrown around.

Then Wendy Reid (Protestant). She lived in Garvaghy Park for 14 years before saying she was intimidated out around 1980. She moved to Woodside Green.

Sixteen years later she left again after the RUC warned of a threat to burn her house down.

As we arrive into 1981 I have to introduce the present day spokesperson and face for Garvaghy Road residents, Breandán Mac Cionnaith known then as Brendan McKenna.

In 1981 he was involved in a Provisional IRA operation to bomb the Royal British Legion hall in Portadown. A Churchill Park family was held hostage, their car taken and used in the bombing.

McKenna was convicted and imprisoned for offences connected with the operation. That’s recorded in the official Rosemary Nelson Inquiry.

Garvaghy Road was still described as having Catholic and Protestant housing. Not exclusively nationalist.

Catholic and Protestant.

There were still 103 Protestant families living at the bottom of Garvaghy Road.

One Protestant woman described smashed windows, kicked doors and children unable to play safely in the park. She described a six-year-old Protestant boy being surrounded by Catholic teenagers, questioned about his religion and then urinated on.

Her response: “I’m not going to be driven out.”

Ivor Young, who helped establish Portadown’s Concerned Protestants Committee, said many Protestants already had been driven out through nationalist intimidation and their experiences were being ignored.

A Catholic resident in the same report disputed that, saying Protestants weren’t being driven out; when they left, they were simply replaced by Catholics. What does driven out and intimidation look like to you?

Both accounts were being made in 1997.

That same year David Trimble told the House of Commons that, following Brendan McKenna’s election, a nationalist election cortege repeatedly travelled through the Protestant Garvaghy Road/Park Road area at around 2am.

According to Trimble, residents were threatened: “YOU WILL BE BURNT OUT BEFORE JULY.”

Shortly after these threats from McKenna’s election cortège, attacks on homes followed.

For accuracy: that is Trimble’s allegation recorded in Hansard. It does not prove who personally made the threat other than McKenna’s cortège.

A Protestant woman told the Irish Times she had lived for years in Churchill Park on Garvaghy Road but her family “had to leave because of attacks by Catholics.”

She wasn’t named. That doesn’t erase her or her story.

Protestant families in King Street and Whitten Close, immediately off Garvaghy Road, reported repeated sectarian attacks.

One reported incident involved allegations of 30 to 40 nationalist youths throwing stones and bottles at Protestant homes. Residents said they believed they were being driven out.

And that’s the part of this history that matters now.

Somewhere between a road where Catholics and Protestants lived, more than 100 Protestant families were still living in 1997, and the Garvaghy Road of today, something changed.

Today the nationalist stretch is overwhelmingly Catholic. In parts, Protestants are reduced to a tiny minority if at all, sometimes only a handful in the local census area.

No, that doesn’t prove every Protestant who left was intimidated out. But don’t insult people’s intelligence by pretending the rest of the history therefore disappears. Again I ask what does intimidation and being driven out look like to you.

We have Protestant residents saying they were intimidated. Families saying attacks forced them out. Others saying they believed they were being driven out. Irish Republican killings in and around this community. A Churchill Park family held hostage during a PIRA operation. And 103 Protestant families still there in 1997.

Then look at the language today:

“OUR AREA.” OUR ROAD.” “NO ORANGE FEET.”

That’s the bit I refuse to swallow.

When exactly did a shared public road become the property of one community?

When did the people who lived there before cease to count? When did changing demographics become ownership? And when did excluding the identity of the community that once lived there become acceptable language from people simultaneously lecturing everyone else about sectarianism?

Because the road didn’t move. The population did.

The history didn’t disappear. The Protestant population largely did.

Whatever arguments people want to have about why, the historical record above means nobody gets to pretend they were never there. And don’t turn this into whataboutery, if you insist on distorting history for propaganda then you must answer for Garvaghy Road, if you resort to whataboutery, you’ve proven yourself to have no answer.

That is what makes “OUR ROAD” so revealing. That is what makes “NO ORANGE FEET” so ugly. And that is what makes what we’re watching in 2026 impossible to separate from what came before.

Sinn Féin, the SDLP and PBP called on people from across Ireland to come to Garvaghy Road. People answered.

The PSNI subsequently described the obstruction as an “unnotified and therefore illegal protest” and warned that evidence gathering could result in criminal justice consequences.

Their words. Their assessment. Not mine. Saying the word peaceful before protest does not suddenly make it lawful.

Men with documented IRA histories have been prominent around the dispute all week. Paraded proudly and revered by all those in attendance while simultaneously telling people residents were living in fear. They aren’t scared to stand with IRA terrorists though, and just to entertain the bussed in crowds, bands sang pro-IRA songs while the crowd joined in.

Yet thirty-five Orangemen peacefully walking along that public road in silence are presented as intolerable.

“NO ORANGE FEET” - but pro-IRA songs.

If Orange identity is so offensive that 35 men cannot peacefully walk along a public road in silence, explain how pro-IRA songs on that road fit with opposition to sectarianism.

And if it’s historically “OUR AREA.” “OUR ROAD”, explain the Protestants who lived there.

You can’t edit them out because they wreck the slogan. You can’t erase republican violence either.

Which brings us straight back to the words being spat at everyone else:

Sectarian. Bigot. Hateful. Murderer. Fascist. Nazi.

I’m not repeating the history. It’s above.

If you’re having difficulty with those words after reading it, go back and read it again.

So from this point on, ignorance is no excuse.

If, knowing that history, you still erase the Protestants who lived there, shout “OUR ROAD” and “NO ORANGE FEET”, then stand listening to songs glorifying the IRA while calling everyone else sectarian, hateful and bigoted, you’ve answered the question yourself.

You don’t hate sectarianism. You thrive in it.

Are you saying they now want to walk the original route? The one they did before the RUC rerouted it in the late 80s due to violence, that route being the one banned ten years later

Matronic6 · 04/10/2026 11:23

Fredflinstoneswife1 · 04/10/2026 09:03

I’ve apparently committed the cardinal sin this week. I questioned the story the world is being told about Garvaghy Road.

For that: sectarian, bigot, hateful, fascist, Nazi, murderer, uneducated and threats.

Meanwhile: “OUR ROAD.” “NO ORANGE FEET.” “CATHOLIC AREA.”

So before throwing another insult or shouting another slogan, pick up a history book instead of a propaganda leaflet.

Because if you’re going to claim ownership of a road, erase an entire community from its past and call anyone who challenges you a bigot, sectarian, fascist or whatever other names you drag up, you’d better be damn sure history backs you up.

It doesn’t.

The Portadown District Orange parade to Drumcree dates back more than 200 years. Garvaghy Road was largely countryside fields and rose-growing land.

The route existed before the estates did.

The Orange Order didn’t invent a route through an established Catholic housing estate. The housing came later.

During the 1950s and 60s new housing was built around Garvaghy Road, with Catholic families from areas including Obins Street and the Tunnel rehoused there.

Then came the Troubles and increasing segregation. Catholics were displaced. Protestants were displaced.

Here’s the part missing from “OUR AREA”. “OUR ROAD”.

PROTESTANTS LIVED THERE TOO. Within living memory.

Paul Beattie, a Protestant 19 year old murdered in 1972 off Churchill Park on Garvaghy Road, shot dead by Irish republican terrorists.

Roy Rutherford, a Protestant 33 year old murdered in 1973 by an IRA booby-trap bomb on Moy Road.

Edward Clayton, a Protestant 27 year old murdered in 1975 by a booby-trap bomb attached to his car planted by Irish republican terrorists near his Portadown home.

Robert McNally, a Protestant 20 year old murdered in 1979 by an INLA booby-trap bomb attached to his car.

John Truckle, a Protestant 61 year old murdered in 1983 by an IRA booby-trap bomb attached to his car outside his Woodside Hill home.

Five names worth remembering when “murderers” is being thrown around.

Then Wendy Reid (Protestant). She lived in Garvaghy Park for 14 years before saying she was intimidated out around 1980. She moved to Woodside Green.

Sixteen years later she left again after the RUC warned of a threat to burn her house down.

As we arrive into 1981 I have to introduce the present day spokesperson and face for Garvaghy Road residents, Breandán Mac Cionnaith known then as Brendan McKenna.

In 1981 he was involved in a Provisional IRA operation to bomb the Royal British Legion hall in Portadown. A Churchill Park family was held hostage, their car taken and used in the bombing.

McKenna was convicted and imprisoned for offences connected with the operation. That’s recorded in the official Rosemary Nelson Inquiry.

Garvaghy Road was still described as having Catholic and Protestant housing. Not exclusively nationalist.

Catholic and Protestant.

There were still 103 Protestant families living at the bottom of Garvaghy Road.

One Protestant woman described smashed windows, kicked doors and children unable to play safely in the park. She described a six-year-old Protestant boy being surrounded by Catholic teenagers, questioned about his religion and then urinated on.

Her response: “I’m not going to be driven out.”

Ivor Young, who helped establish Portadown’s Concerned Protestants Committee, said many Protestants already had been driven out through nationalist intimidation and their experiences were being ignored.

A Catholic resident in the same report disputed that, saying Protestants weren’t being driven out; when they left, they were simply replaced by Catholics. What does driven out and intimidation look like to you?

Both accounts were being made in 1997.

That same year David Trimble told the House of Commons that, following Brendan McKenna’s election, a nationalist election cortege repeatedly travelled through the Protestant Garvaghy Road/Park Road area at around 2am.

According to Trimble, residents were threatened: “YOU WILL BE BURNT OUT BEFORE JULY.”

Shortly after these threats from McKenna’s election cortège, attacks on homes followed.

For accuracy: that is Trimble’s allegation recorded in Hansard. It does not prove who personally made the threat other than McKenna’s cortège.

A Protestant woman told the Irish Times she had lived for years in Churchill Park on Garvaghy Road but her family “had to leave because of attacks by Catholics.”

She wasn’t named. That doesn’t erase her or her story.

Protestant families in King Street and Whitten Close, immediately off Garvaghy Road, reported repeated sectarian attacks.

One reported incident involved allegations of 30 to 40 nationalist youths throwing stones and bottles at Protestant homes. Residents said they believed they were being driven out.

And that’s the part of this history that matters now.

Somewhere between a road where Catholics and Protestants lived, more than 100 Protestant families were still living in 1997, and the Garvaghy Road of today, something changed.

Today the nationalist stretch is overwhelmingly Catholic. In parts, Protestants are reduced to a tiny minority if at all, sometimes only a handful in the local census area.

No, that doesn’t prove every Protestant who left was intimidated out. But don’t insult people’s intelligence by pretending the rest of the history therefore disappears. Again I ask what does intimidation and being driven out look like to you.

We have Protestant residents saying they were intimidated. Families saying attacks forced them out. Others saying they believed they were being driven out. Irish Republican killings in and around this community. A Churchill Park family held hostage during a PIRA operation. And 103 Protestant families still there in 1997.

Then look at the language today:

“OUR AREA.” OUR ROAD.” “NO ORANGE FEET.”

That’s the bit I refuse to swallow.

When exactly did a shared public road become the property of one community?

When did the people who lived there before cease to count? When did changing demographics become ownership? And when did excluding the identity of the community that once lived there become acceptable language from people simultaneously lecturing everyone else about sectarianism?

Because the road didn’t move. The population did.

The history didn’t disappear. The Protestant population largely did.

Whatever arguments people want to have about why, the historical record above means nobody gets to pretend they were never there. And don’t turn this into whataboutery, if you insist on distorting history for propaganda then you must answer for Garvaghy Road, if you resort to whataboutery, you’ve proven yourself to have no answer.

That is what makes “OUR ROAD” so revealing. That is what makes “NO ORANGE FEET” so ugly. And that is what makes what we’re watching in 2026 impossible to separate from what came before.

Sinn Féin, the SDLP and PBP called on people from across Ireland to come to Garvaghy Road. People answered.

The PSNI subsequently described the obstruction as an “unnotified and therefore illegal protest” and warned that evidence gathering could result in criminal justice consequences.

Their words. Their assessment. Not mine. Saying the word peaceful before protest does not suddenly make it lawful.

Men with documented IRA histories have been prominent around the dispute all week. Paraded proudly and revered by all those in attendance while simultaneously telling people residents were living in fear. They aren’t scared to stand with IRA terrorists though, and just to entertain the bussed in crowds, bands sang pro-IRA songs while the crowd joined in.

Yet thirty-five Orangemen peacefully walking along that public road in silence are presented as intolerable.

“NO ORANGE FEET” - but pro-IRA songs.

If Orange identity is so offensive that 35 men cannot peacefully walk along a public road in silence, explain how pro-IRA songs on that road fit with opposition to sectarianism.

And if it’s historically “OUR AREA.” “OUR ROAD”, explain the Protestants who lived there.

You can’t edit them out because they wreck the slogan. You can’t erase republican violence either.

Which brings us straight back to the words being spat at everyone else:

Sectarian. Bigot. Hateful. Murderer. Fascist. Nazi.

I’m not repeating the history. It’s above.

If you’re having difficulty with those words after reading it, go back and read it again.

So from this point on, ignorance is no excuse.

If, knowing that history, you still erase the Protestants who lived there, shout “OUR ROAD” and “NO ORANGE FEET”, then stand listening to songs glorifying the IRA while calling everyone else sectarian, hateful and bigoted, you’ve answered the question yourself.

You don’t hate sectarianism. You thrive in it.

It's very easy to simple bring up the past and cite x,y and z that happened. I could do the same myself from a nationalist POV. But you are missing the point. People do not want to live in the past anymore.

People, especially those under 40, who have grown up in a different northern ireland thanks to the Good Friday Agreement. People want to move on toward a better future.

The problem is that the state of peace in the north of Ireland is very tenuous. OO have no business marching down Garvaghy Road, the residents have made that clear, they don't get to justify intimidating people in 2026 by arguing there were fields there they walked through 200+ years ago. Nobody cares. In the here and now the human beings that are living there are the priority.

OO can still celebrate their culture, which is entirely based on being anti-catholic within their own community. It's not like they are being silenced they marched 2,500 times last year. But they aren't dragging the entire place back into the past with them.

MandyAndLola · 04/10/2026 11:47

Fredflinstoneswife1 · 04/10/2026 09:03

I’ve apparently committed the cardinal sin this week. I questioned the story the world is being told about Garvaghy Road.

For that: sectarian, bigot, hateful, fascist, Nazi, murderer, uneducated and threats.

Meanwhile: “OUR ROAD.” “NO ORANGE FEET.” “CATHOLIC AREA.”

So before throwing another insult or shouting another slogan, pick up a history book instead of a propaganda leaflet.

Because if you’re going to claim ownership of a road, erase an entire community from its past and call anyone who challenges you a bigot, sectarian, fascist or whatever other names you drag up, you’d better be damn sure history backs you up.

It doesn’t.

The Portadown District Orange parade to Drumcree dates back more than 200 years. Garvaghy Road was largely countryside fields and rose-growing land.

The route existed before the estates did.

The Orange Order didn’t invent a route through an established Catholic housing estate. The housing came later.

During the 1950s and 60s new housing was built around Garvaghy Road, with Catholic families from areas including Obins Street and the Tunnel rehoused there.

Then came the Troubles and increasing segregation. Catholics were displaced. Protestants were displaced.

Here’s the part missing from “OUR AREA”. “OUR ROAD”.

PROTESTANTS LIVED THERE TOO. Within living memory.

Paul Beattie, a Protestant 19 year old murdered in 1972 off Churchill Park on Garvaghy Road, shot dead by Irish republican terrorists.

Roy Rutherford, a Protestant 33 year old murdered in 1973 by an IRA booby-trap bomb on Moy Road.

Edward Clayton, a Protestant 27 year old murdered in 1975 by a booby-trap bomb attached to his car planted by Irish republican terrorists near his Portadown home.

Robert McNally, a Protestant 20 year old murdered in 1979 by an INLA booby-trap bomb attached to his car.

John Truckle, a Protestant 61 year old murdered in 1983 by an IRA booby-trap bomb attached to his car outside his Woodside Hill home.

Five names worth remembering when “murderers” is being thrown around.

Then Wendy Reid (Protestant). She lived in Garvaghy Park for 14 years before saying she was intimidated out around 1980. She moved to Woodside Green.

Sixteen years later she left again after the RUC warned of a threat to burn her house down.

As we arrive into 1981 I have to introduce the present day spokesperson and face for Garvaghy Road residents, Breandán Mac Cionnaith known then as Brendan McKenna.

In 1981 he was involved in a Provisional IRA operation to bomb the Royal British Legion hall in Portadown. A Churchill Park family was held hostage, their car taken and used in the bombing.

McKenna was convicted and imprisoned for offences connected with the operation. That’s recorded in the official Rosemary Nelson Inquiry.

Garvaghy Road was still described as having Catholic and Protestant housing. Not exclusively nationalist.

Catholic and Protestant.

There were still 103 Protestant families living at the bottom of Garvaghy Road.

One Protestant woman described smashed windows, kicked doors and children unable to play safely in the park. She described a six-year-old Protestant boy being surrounded by Catholic teenagers, questioned about his religion and then urinated on.

Her response: “I’m not going to be driven out.”

Ivor Young, who helped establish Portadown’s Concerned Protestants Committee, said many Protestants already had been driven out through nationalist intimidation and their experiences were being ignored.

A Catholic resident in the same report disputed that, saying Protestants weren’t being driven out; when they left, they were simply replaced by Catholics. What does driven out and intimidation look like to you?

Both accounts were being made in 1997.

That same year David Trimble told the House of Commons that, following Brendan McKenna’s election, a nationalist election cortege repeatedly travelled through the Protestant Garvaghy Road/Park Road area at around 2am.

According to Trimble, residents were threatened: “YOU WILL BE BURNT OUT BEFORE JULY.”

Shortly after these threats from McKenna’s election cortège, attacks on homes followed.

For accuracy: that is Trimble’s allegation recorded in Hansard. It does not prove who personally made the threat other than McKenna’s cortège.

A Protestant woman told the Irish Times she had lived for years in Churchill Park on Garvaghy Road but her family “had to leave because of attacks by Catholics.”

She wasn’t named. That doesn’t erase her or her story.

Protestant families in King Street and Whitten Close, immediately off Garvaghy Road, reported repeated sectarian attacks.

One reported incident involved allegations of 30 to 40 nationalist youths throwing stones and bottles at Protestant homes. Residents said they believed they were being driven out.

And that’s the part of this history that matters now.

Somewhere between a road where Catholics and Protestants lived, more than 100 Protestant families were still living in 1997, and the Garvaghy Road of today, something changed.

Today the nationalist stretch is overwhelmingly Catholic. In parts, Protestants are reduced to a tiny minority if at all, sometimes only a handful in the local census area.

No, that doesn’t prove every Protestant who left was intimidated out. But don’t insult people’s intelligence by pretending the rest of the history therefore disappears. Again I ask what does intimidation and being driven out look like to you.

We have Protestant residents saying they were intimidated. Families saying attacks forced them out. Others saying they believed they were being driven out. Irish Republican killings in and around this community. A Churchill Park family held hostage during a PIRA operation. And 103 Protestant families still there in 1997.

Then look at the language today:

“OUR AREA.” OUR ROAD.” “NO ORANGE FEET.”

That’s the bit I refuse to swallow.

When exactly did a shared public road become the property of one community?

When did the people who lived there before cease to count? When did changing demographics become ownership? And when did excluding the identity of the community that once lived there become acceptable language from people simultaneously lecturing everyone else about sectarianism?

Because the road didn’t move. The population did.

The history didn’t disappear. The Protestant population largely did.

Whatever arguments people want to have about why, the historical record above means nobody gets to pretend they were never there. And don’t turn this into whataboutery, if you insist on distorting history for propaganda then you must answer for Garvaghy Road, if you resort to whataboutery, you’ve proven yourself to have no answer.

That is what makes “OUR ROAD” so revealing. That is what makes “NO ORANGE FEET” so ugly. And that is what makes what we’re watching in 2026 impossible to separate from what came before.

Sinn Féin, the SDLP and PBP called on people from across Ireland to come to Garvaghy Road. People answered.

The PSNI subsequently described the obstruction as an “unnotified and therefore illegal protest” and warned that evidence gathering could result in criminal justice consequences.

Their words. Their assessment. Not mine. Saying the word peaceful before protest does not suddenly make it lawful.

Men with documented IRA histories have been prominent around the dispute all week. Paraded proudly and revered by all those in attendance while simultaneously telling people residents were living in fear. They aren’t scared to stand with IRA terrorists though, and just to entertain the bussed in crowds, bands sang pro-IRA songs while the crowd joined in.

Yet thirty-five Orangemen peacefully walking along that public road in silence are presented as intolerable.

“NO ORANGE FEET” - but pro-IRA songs.

If Orange identity is so offensive that 35 men cannot peacefully walk along a public road in silence, explain how pro-IRA songs on that road fit with opposition to sectarianism.

And if it’s historically “OUR AREA.” “OUR ROAD”, explain the Protestants who lived there.

You can’t edit them out because they wreck the slogan. You can’t erase republican violence either.

Which brings us straight back to the words being spat at everyone else:

Sectarian. Bigot. Hateful. Murderer. Fascist. Nazi.

I’m not repeating the history. It’s above.

If you’re having difficulty with those words after reading it, go back and read it again.

So from this point on, ignorance is no excuse.

If, knowing that history, you still erase the Protestants who lived there, shout “OUR ROAD” and “NO ORANGE FEET”, then stand listening to songs glorifying the IRA while calling everyone else sectarian, hateful and bigoted, you’ve answered the question yourself.

You don’t hate sectarianism. You thrive in it.

Nonsense rhetoric

Anonanonanonagain · 04/10/2026 12:11

Oh look it is the poster who referred to me as a terrorist apologist and told me to fuck off and find and Irish site to post on. Shocker.

Piggywaspushed · 04/10/2026 12:12

I can't actaully be bothered to read back over all the posts again but has anyone actually even called her a Nazi, or whatever at any point?

or is this just copy and pasted from a Facebook page

ColadhSamh · 04/10/2026 12:22

The spirit is strong on Garvaghy Road. Amongst those who have turned up to support are immigrants who work hard and support the population of the Portadown area. People who were attacked and burned out of their homes in recent times by Loyalist mobs. They were made welcome when they fled their homes by the people of Garvaghy Road and accommodated at the local Drumcree Centre. They returned yesterday to say thank you and support the GR community. So too did thousands of others.

Meanwhile Mr Binlid and his sidekick have nowhere to go. They have very little support for their actions and behaviour as illustrated by the very few who turned up yesterday. Presumably @Fredflinstoneswife1 was there so can tell us more about the level of support they received.

Tomorrow's court challenge will be one to watch.

BeanNaGealai · 04/10/2026 12:30

Piggywaspushed · 04/10/2026 12:12

I can't actaully be bothered to read back over all the posts again but has anyone actually even called her a Nazi, or whatever at any point?

or is this just copy and pasted from a Facebook page

A lot of it reads like AI created text tbh. The prompts presumably asked for that particular tone and perspective.

JaneJeffer · 04/10/2026 12:35

Piggywaspushed · 04/10/2026 12:12

I can't actaully be bothered to read back over all the posts again but has anyone actually even called her a Nazi, or whatever at any point?

or is this just copy and pasted from a Facebook page

It’s what’s known in Ireland as a pile of shite

Piggywaspushed · 04/10/2026 12:38

Well, that too!

JaneJeffer · 04/10/2026 12:41

Why start the history lecture there? Why not go back further? I think we all know the answer to that.

ColadhSamh · 04/10/2026 12:46

Another great Fleadh day today with the expected arrival of Kneecap later this afternoon.

pelara · 04/10/2026 12:53

But will OO retreat with tails between legs though if the court challenge results in a ban on the march? That's the touchpoint, but with little support so far I'd wonder what their next step would be. Hard Loyalists of the bonfire and fleg variety don't seem to be gathering, but I'm not sure about things staying that way.

If the courts ban the march (which is the only sensible way now I think), I do hope there is no triumphalism in victory.

Good that things are peaceful and the atmosphere appears to be genial. So far anyway.

Anonanonanonagain · 04/10/2026 13:00

ColadhSamh · 04/10/2026 12:46

Another great Fleadh day today with the expected arrival of Kneecap later this afternoon.

A few renditions of Get your Brits out might flame the fires.

BeanNaGealai · 04/10/2026 13:44

Anonanonanonagain · 04/10/2026 13:00

A few renditions of Get your Brits out might flame the fires.

To be honest, I don't think that would be terribly helpful. I think avoiding inflammatory rebel songs is the sensible approach. If the OO can be given an out without humiliation, that would be the best result. However, the issue is they don't want an out and presumably won't take one.

MadeForThis · 04/10/2026 13:53

One and done has now been proposed by the OO and seems to be rejected by the majority on the Garvaghy Rd. Notably this was also proposed in 1995 and quickly forgotten when the OO applied again to march in 1996 with the chaos and violence that came with the turnaround.

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