The traitors

[Magnalux]

i love the English version. The first episode is always a bit manic so will reserve judgement. It’s interesting though the names of two traitors have already been brought up!

I think he might be useful, and he seems clear-headed, but he might be too obvious a recruitee, given how prominent he was at the round table.

Should Paudie have pushed harder for Andrew? Or is his reasoning thst he’ll probably be gone himself tonight so it’s not going to be much of a tactical advantage? But father-son traitors as a duo closer to the end would be brilliant.

Maybe Andrew will forget himself and cry ‘Goodbye, Daddy!’

My other recruitment idea would be Kelley, who doesn’t appear to have said anything so far in the edit of any episode. Nobody understood Wilkin’s baffling reason for voting for her. She seems properly under the radar.

The mysterious Kelley! I THINK what he was trying to say is that the maths calculation she did didn’t add up to the number that she said it did, meaning she was a traitor who knew the code in advance, regardless of the maths. But who knows?

I think that's the point Wilkin was trying to make. But he was so unclear!

It was also so frustrating, just when folk seem to be cottoning on to the real traitors (thanks Oyin for the clarity), then wilkin hops on with some pure jumbled mess 🙄

In the Uncloaked episode Eamon talked about how the Round Table goes on far longer than what we see...he said Faye had some incorrect theories too but we didn't see this at all. I guess it's all in the editing.

I’m thinking Katelyn tonight, I think Paudie will drum up some support over the day - Eamon being mean to him!

Well that took a weird turn after voting a traitor out.

Was just coming on to say this... wondering where this is going to go? It's a mess.

Nick seems to have lost the run of himself after being chosen as the leader.

Also Andrew was a bad choice for Paudie, well good choice if he wants him gone but I presume he doesn't.

All I wanted Andrew to say to Nick was... don't use me as your sacrificial lamb!

I'm fairness I agreed with Amy (or was it Vanessa?) who said who are they to assume their our leaders?! Nick thinks he can control them all 🙄

Yes, it’s suddenly all gone a bit Lord of the Flies.

If I were the ones (mostly women) unimpressed with being shouted at by an estate agent who didn’t want them to vote out a traitor, I’d say ‘Gosh, Nick, you do realise we don’t all necessarily believe you when you say you turned down the chance to be recruited? Why were you so insistent on protecting Katelyn?’

Do you suppose he’s told them he’s an estate agent? You’d think that would get him automatic votes.

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Nick has annoyed so many people tonight he’s a safe bet to be murdered because it won’t be so obvious who did it. I went from loving him at the start of that episode to hating him. He needs to go..

Yes nick and Ben seem to think they’re in charge and are some sort off tactical geniuses! Twits. Felt sorry for poor Andrew, he was blindsided, they threw him under the bus without a second thought. They’re gonners now.. they’ll be murdered soon I’d imagine!

I love the idea of a father and son being traitors!

I didn't quiet get the logic of the lads saying they wanted to knowingly keep a traitor in? And get rid of Andrew?

Also...I thought it was very obvious last night that Paudie is a traitor and yet not a word about him today?

It was Mark who put the idea of getting rid of Andrew in Nick and Ben's head then he let them be the fall guys.

Mark suspected Eamon and Paudie from the beginning and he's playing a very clever game.

There was no logic, as far as I could see. How do you ‘use’ or “play’ a known traitor when (1) she retains the power to murder one of you nightly and (2) there is another traitor whose identity you don’t know working with her?

I've had an overnight change of my mind about Andrew being a bad choice by Paudie. Because Nick and Ben have revealed to everyone they were planning on keeping Traitors in the game and sacrifice Faithfuls, then the suggestion now is that Andrew was last night's lamb and therefore is a Faithful. Mark, despite being the actual leader of the plan to "control" traitors, kept quite about it. (No ego getting in the way?)

Who they murder will be interesting- also reveal is Paudie really is a forgetful traitor or has been genius game player from the start by pretending to be.

They need to murder someone unlikely to be banished - so maybe Mark? Nick might be banished next as people might start thinking he didn't actual say no to being sacrificed.

The logic is you know who the traitors are so keep them in because if they go, they are replaced and you don't know who the new ones are.

I think the "control" means (or should me) they keep the traitor on side by making themselves look like they are useful to the traitor because they won't vote for the traitor and will get rid of faithful. But that plan shouldn't be revealed because the traitor needs to think they don't suspect them, and the traitor must feel they can control the narrative on who they banish.

Yes, but you know that there’s almost certainly at least one other remaining traitor whose identity you don’t know, and also, while cosying up to a known traitor might be an excellent strategy for an individual faithful to avoid murder, the entirety of the remaining faithfuls can’t all convince Katelyn they’re non-threatening and her friends! She still has to murder one of them every night, so there’s no benefit to the majority to keeping her in. They’re still at the same nightly risk.

Nick should have done it as an individual strategy, not started giving out to everyone for not following his lead when it didn’t benefit them.

I think Nick is putting people’s backs up. And I also think that, were I a Faithful, I’d at least be considering the possibility that he might be lying about having turned down the recruitment offer, and was protecting Katelyntrying to /banish Faithfuls.

Really enjoyed that episode they are definitely playing it differently to the UK episodes. Is it because people are more upfront and blunt about things so there's less dancing around things?
I think Nick and Ben did themselves such a disservice all you saw was Alpha males berating the women for getting things "wrong" I'd be absolutely fuming and gunning for them traitor or not. The arrogance of assuming they somehow know better have we not moved on from this, I despair.
Glad Paudie is recruiting Andrew they will trust each other, be jess likely to turn on each other and can form an Alliance to win together and share the prize, very strong partnership. I hope they do murder Mark first he's too comfortable and I think feeling untouchable. If the traitors were clever then they could try and get Ben and Nick to turn on each other

I think there’s a fair bit of heat on Paudie still, so they might only last a day as father-son traitors. I like both of them, and would be delighted to see them waltz off with the prize, but I suspect it’s deeply unlikely.

I’m not sure I’ve registered that much difference from the UK Traitors — could you say more about what you think is different, @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend?

I think Paudie and Andrew need to spin it that Nick wanted Katelyn kept in because he actually accepted the offer and is now a traitor.

That’s what I’d do. At least some of the Faithful are annoyed at Nick (and Ben) wrecking their happy vibe after finding another traitor, so I’d capitalise on that. Quite often, people are just looking for a concrete reason to vote for someone.

And if someone points out that they have only Nick’s word for it that he didn’t accept the recruitment offer, and that he’s begun behaving quite differently since has claims to have turned it down, I think that might be convincing enough to get votes.

it is the best tactic but obviously not everyone in the game can do it 🤣. It's also not fool proof seeing you can't actually control traitor in the game but it's the best game plan.

Nick suspects Paudie too (been going on about the fact Paudie is keeping him in). As does Mark. So in theory they would have been on the right track. Nick and Ben have blown it all by getting angry that everyone didn't do way they wanted. Bad long term planning there - can't manipulate anyone to be the sacrificed Faithful now

There's a lot of openly doing things isn't there. Eamonn starting a traitor meeting in the castle by clearing off others. Nick and Ben revealing their plans!!

Well, that was an interesting episode. The success of eliminating a traitor has gone to Nick's head and he fancies himself as a bounty hunter. There's a clear split in the camp now. I thought it was interesting that the men voted for Andrew and the women voted for Katelyn. If the newly formed alliance of Nick, Ben and Mark try to target someone else, the disaffected are likely to vote against them, purely out of animosity.