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TeaHagTeaBag · 11/08/2025 17:00

Interesting that with the camogie all Ireland yesterday, I don't see thay report mentioned at all in the Irish Times.

Puckeen · 11/08/2025 20:46

miri1985 · 11/08/2025 14:46

Article in the Times about Sports Irelands report into trans participation in womens sports in Ireland

https://archive.ph/MEtxE

Thanks for posting.
The takeaway from this article would appear to be that transgender athletes (men who say they’re women) were very emotional (and hurt) about this survey while everyone else was concerned about the paltry issues of fairness, dignity and safety for women.

Puckeen · 11/08/2025 22:45

Sunday Independent article yesterday about sports review.

Gender Critical in Ireland Part 4
Puckeen · 11/08/2025 23:14

And some letters in yesterday’s
S-indo…

Gender Critical in Ireland Part 4
Genesis1v27 · 12/08/2025 00:03

Here's a link to a more readable full-resolution image of the letters:

https://ugc-assets.mumsnet.com/images/202508/8PcZ5HAroep84h4mfE7JUHs76mlvG7aCFwRxlmPY.jpeg

Mumsnet compresses images by default for some reason, which makes text hard to read.

Joolsin · 12/08/2025 09:28

3 extremely well-written and well-argued letters, thanks for posting them.

MarieDeGournay · 12/08/2025 19:55

I agree, great letters - thank you so much for posting them.
'The Indo' seems to be the only part of the media here that hasn't followed the genderwoo line.

TeaHagTeaBag · 15/08/2025 13:15

If anyone is interested in an update on Barbie K and other trans identified men in irish women's prisons and hostels, Paddy O'Gorman has a new - and upsetting - podcast out. His website seems to have a security alert on it so I won't link, but the episode can be found on the usual podcast channels.

Docugirl · 18/08/2025 14:08

@TeaHagTeaBag thank you for sharing this. I am furious.

I heard the first podcast and was appalled. Why isn't this being covered in the MSM? Thankfully Paddy O Gorman isn't scared to throw light on it.

I've had to stop listening to the trial details, it's just too much. I'm too angry.

Can anyone more tech savvy than me share a link to his website? It's not coming up on Spotify when I search but might take a day of two.

Docugirl · 18/08/2025 15:03

I've just finished listening to it. Men in homeless hostels and women's shelters. A violent man knowingly placed with homeless women. He was released from a women's prison and sent straight to a women's hostel where he attacked a woman there. Predictably it was reported as a woman attacking a woman.

TeaHagTeaBag · 18/08/2025 19:31

Paddy's website is http://paddyspodcast.ie/episodes-3/. I was able to get in just now with out the security warning, but when it has popped up in the past, I've edited the website address to remove the s at the end of https and I was able to get in. I am not very interested in tech so I don't know if that's the right/safe way to do it, but it's worked for me and I'm not aware of being sold for parts on the dark web.

Listen – Paddy's Podcast

http://paddyspodcast.ie/episodes-3/

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Joolsin · 09/09/2025 15:45

MaeveofConnaught · 09/09/2025 11:29

Love the typo at the end of that article - "people left feeling venerable" - bwahaha 🤣

Abhannmor · 09/09/2025 20:41

A hopeful sign. But still cringe articles from the likes of Jennifer O Connell and from Suzanne Harrington on the Examiner.

Abhannmor · 12/09/2025 23:18

Note to self : must buy his new book.

TomBaileysFlyingGoggles · 13/09/2025 00:09

Abhannmor · 12/09/2025 23:18

Note to self : must buy his new book.

I think a lot of people are buying his latest book in solidarity and realizing he's a good writer so buying the back catalogue. I can't believe how small minded the L&H has become. How can they offer debates if everyone must comply to the same thoughts

Abhannmor · 13/09/2025 10:50

TomBaileysFlyingGoggles · 13/09/2025 00:09

I think a lot of people are buying his latest book in solidarity and realizing he's a good writer so buying the back catalogue. I can't believe how small minded the L&H has become. How can they offer debates if everyone must comply to the same thoughts

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I'd hate to be at college now @TomBaileysFlyingGoggles . There's no mercy and no middle ground left. You either support Barbie Kardashian to the hilt or you are a Nazi. Maybe if you were studying a STEM subject you could escape the turmoil ? That would leave me out 😆 alas.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 13/09/2025 11:35

Abhannmor · 13/09/2025 10:50

I'd hate to be at college now @TomBaileysFlyingGoggles . There's no mercy and no middle ground left. You either support Barbie Kardashian to the hilt or you are a Nazi. Maybe if you were studying a STEM subject you could escape the turmoil ? That would leave me out 😆 alas.

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It varies hugely by subject. In the universities I'm familiar with, Arts, humanities, some business subjects etc and in particular the performing arts, are fully captured. Engineering, some business, harder sciences medicine are not. Psychology fully captured.

I don't know what the situation is with other healthcare subjects or softer sciences.

Chocolatetiramisu · 13/09/2025 12:15

@OchonAgusOchonOh
Dangerous that psychology is fully captured 🙁

As an aside, what are harder vs softer sciences?

OchonAgusOchonOh · 13/09/2025 13:59

@Chocolatetiramisu - yes, I am shocked at psychology too.

Technically the hard sciences would be chemistry, physics, biology and soft sciences would be subjects like psychology, sociology etc. However, subjects like environmental science, various parts of biology are more captured than physics and chemistry. I would class those as softer sciences but that's just my personal descriptor rather than the official one.

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/09/2025 14:35

I came across this info on TwiX yesterday and thought it would be of interest to folks on this thread. It feels like this proposal is similar to legislation that exists in Australia and that has been used successfully to silence and punish people espousing gender critical views:

https://gript.ie/irish-politicians-want-to-fight-true-but-harmful-info/

"The Irish Government has said it intends to target so-called “mal-information” — information that is factually true, but deemed “harmful” — as part of its new National Counter Disinformation Strategy.

This week, Communications Minister Patrick O’Donovan defended the move in an exchange with Gript, insisting that the Government must ensure citizens have access to what it considers “trusted sources” of news.

“I think within the world that we live in at the moment, it is important that the public, the citizens have access to information that they know is from a trusted source,” he said, adding that too much of what circulates online amounts to mere “gossip.”
The National Disinformation Strategy, published in April, was preceded by a public consultation in 2023. Of the 470 submissions received, 83% opposed the plan outright, with many respondents warning of censorship and threats to free speech. Only 11% supported the proposals — many of these from state-funded bodies, NGOs, and government departments. Despite this overwhelming opposition, the Government pressed ahead."

Irish politicians want to fight true but “harmful” info - Gript

“Trusted sources.”

https://gript.ie/irish-politicians-want-to-fight-true-but-harmful-info/

TomBaileysFlyingGoggles · 13/09/2025 21:17

OchonAgusOchonOh · 13/09/2025 11:35

It varies hugely by subject. In the universities I'm familiar with, Arts, humanities, some business subjects etc and in particular the performing arts, are fully captured. Engineering, some business, harder sciences medicine are not. Psychology fully captured.

I don't know what the situation is with other healthcare subjects or softer sciences.

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That's very scary re psychology. My child is hoping to study that. I did an MA through Womens Studies in UCD many moons ago. It's Gender Studies now and my former head of dept has been completely captured.

TomBaileysFlyingGoggles · 13/09/2025 21:27

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/09/2025 14:35

I came across this info on TwiX yesterday and thought it would be of interest to folks on this thread. It feels like this proposal is similar to legislation that exists in Australia and that has been used successfully to silence and punish people espousing gender critical views:

https://gript.ie/irish-politicians-want-to-fight-true-but-harmful-info/

"The Irish Government has said it intends to target so-called “mal-information” — information that is factually true, but deemed “harmful” — as part of its new National Counter Disinformation Strategy.

This week, Communications Minister Patrick O’Donovan defended the move in an exchange with Gript, insisting that the Government must ensure citizens have access to what it considers “trusted sources” of news.

“I think within the world that we live in at the moment, it is important that the public, the citizens have access to information that they know is from a trusted source,” he said, adding that too much of what circulates online amounts to mere “gossip.”
The National Disinformation Strategy, published in April, was preceded by a public consultation in 2023. Of the 470 submissions received, 83% opposed the plan outright, with many respondents warning of censorship and threats to free speech. Only 11% supported the proposals — many of these from state-funded bodies, NGOs, and government departments. Despite this overwhelming opposition, the Government pressed ahead."

Even the wording is so 1984, "information that is factually true, but deemed “harmful” — as part of its new National Counter Disinformation Strategy."
Truth is sometimes uncomfortable or hard.

Re the example of the Leo Varadkar kissing video, if Leo had been videoed at a private party, then I'd get the outrage. In a nightclub? Then it's fair game, public kissing in a public place, people are going to gossip.