Gender Critical in Ireland Part 4

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/craicnet/4777231-gender-critical-in-ireland-part-3?page=40&reply=139277391
Last thread was full so starting a new one.

Rosaleen Linehan is his mother?! I think she's a comic genius!
I say 'is' because I got chatting to a woman a couple of years ago and it gradually dawned on me that it was Rosaleen Linehan I was talking to!
She was hale hearty andfriendly and witty then, I hope she still is..
yes just googled her, she is still around

Rosaleen Linehan is some talented woman
I saw her a number of times on stage.

Wow. I remember seeing Rosaleen Lenihan and Des Keogh on TV aeons ago.

I’m glad to see that Stella O’ Malley is standing up for herself and has thrown down the gauntlet to the Irish Times. Hugh Lenihan’s describing her as ‘ideological’ when she advocates ‘first do no harm’ is both bias and misleading. As is presenting The Protocol as anything other than partisan if the couple of episodes of the documentary I’ve listened to are anything to go by. Are we so starved of any media coverage on this topic here that we believe this piece, hidden in the business section, is anything other than a journalist attempting to cover his derrière as he watches an international shift on this issue.

https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1933170180214976945?t=E-lKHNIExLrXSJ3PDtEP9A&s=19
Unfortunately, that office has been captured for some time.

EU 2026-2030 LGBTIQ strategy is collecting feedback on banning conversion therapy, hate speech etc. until 24 June.
Open to all citizens and a chance to give an opinion. The site also makes for interesting reading.

A better link to LGBTIQ strategy … hopefully.

I see that the Late Late toy show appeal have given some of the funds raised to TENI and BelongTo. €40,000 to BelongTo and €16,000 to TENI.
Eilis O'Hanlon breaks down some of the distribution here (though she initially mixed up BelongTo with TENI).
https://x.com/OHanlonEilis/status/1936103549202567675?t=oocRrR9O31LJQast5-5GUg&s=19

I would love to know who decides on how the funds raised are distributed.

TENI seems to have recovered well after having their funding by the HSE suspended due to failure to supply audited accounts for 4 years in a row.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-suspends-transgender-equality-network-funding-for-failing-to-produce-financial-accounts-despite-getting-tens-of-thousands-in-grants-from-the-state/42080480.html

That's the last time I'll make a donation to the Late Late Toy Show appeal.

Some positive things said in the Dáil in response to Women's Aid report about the extent of violence against women:

“It’s as much an issue for men and boys ... because, regrettably, my sex are the sex that perpetuate this violence against women to a large extent. We have to start warning boys and young men about the unacceptability of using violence in the relationship.” Jim O’Callaghan, the Minister for Justice,

“Violence against women is nothing new, but social media is supercharging it ... We are now living in a culture where perpetrators of abuse are not only tolerated – they are celebrated. They are the president of the United States, they are sports stars with multimillion-euro contracts, they are influencers poisoning our young men with misogyny packaged as self-help.
This network of anti-women communities online, full of grifters, abusers and con men, is flooding social media with hate...
As men, we need to do more than shake our heads. We must call out violence when we see it because to be silent is to be complicit.”
Gary Gannon. Social Democrats.

I also noticed that everybody, even the media, discussed the report as being about violence against women, no if or buts or 'gender-based' or 'men are victims too of course' *.
Progress?

*I'm not saying they're not, just saying that it doesn't have to be repeated every single time violence against women is mentioned😠

We live in hope. And I confess I don’t know Jim Callahan’s views but Women’s Aid includes trans identifying men in their women policy as do the Social Democrats. So I suspect it’s a case of just not bothering with the * anymore.

I considered stopping my donation to Women's Aid because of that, but I notice that they usually - and moreso recently - make it very clear they are talking about women-women in their reports and press statements, and they use the term VAW not gender-based.
I've concluded that they have the trans stuff in their policy because they have to.

Dublin Rape Crisis Centre, on the other hand, have been open to male clients for ages now - not trans-identifying men/transwomen, just men-men. They started doing that a long time before trans was a thing. I doubt if there was any political pressure on them to do so at the time, as I think there is on Women's Aid now.

I had a few phone conversations with DRCC about it years ago, they didn't even try to give me a rationale, they just said it was policy, and that they kept men and women clients separate. That's when I switched my donation to Women's Aid. But then they started mentioning transwomen...

I suspect the men who use the DRCC's services are mostly survivors of childhood sexual abuse, and they deserve all the help and support they can get; but why don't men set up their own services instead of always demanding to use women's?

Nice piece from Mark Tighe in yesterday’s Indo. TENI, no stranger to deception, encouraging others to lie in its drive to proselytise.

A link to a higher resolution version of that image:
https://ugc-assets.mumsnet.com/images/202506/DPcUHui5ofZbW5rbPFRoKRtLxvzAp99pXiDyyTU8.jpeg

And the original story on the website:
https://www.independent.ie/news/trans-charity-risked-causing-harm-to-children-with-advice-on-puberty-blockers-charities-regulator-warned/a1587020951.html

UN calls for fresh Irish referendum. Darn we must have got it wrong! Come back Leo all is forgiven. Maybe this time we should start by defining ‘women’.

Any attempt to re run the referendum would be very risky for the governing parties. It would look like a heavy handed attempt to subvert the democratic process. This is why the Brits are not rushing into another referendum on the EU anytime soon - even though a majority now agree that Brexit has flopped.
It's not like Lisbon - there's no economic consequences for us or other nations.

I hope Micheál is canny enough to read the room.

Rerun that referendum would cause a rift in government.

It wasn’t even close, the public resoundingly said no.

It wouldn’t be smart to rerun at least not this early.

For me it’s not so much what they want to remove rather what they want to replace it with.

That can changed very easily with adding the word man and or carer. Simple, no need to take the whole thing out.

Is this a sign of change? Here are two headlines from the same news outlet about the same man, one from 2020 and the other today. Despite no physical or legal change Mr Otto was ‘woman’ in 2020 and he’s ‘man’ now. Also pronouns were avoided in today’s article. I’m sure that’ll all change if it appears in The Irish Times😂

Yes it's as if the fever has broken alright. But ppl like breaking news.ie or the Journal won't admit they've got it wrong all this time. They'll just carry on as if nothing deeply weird happened

Until our sex based rights are reinstated something deeply weird is still happening.

It might be a positive sign (and I really hope it is) or it could be, this being Ireland, that violence against a young man is taken more seriously and seen as more shocking/unnatural than violence against women.

I've heard a few conversations about women's health issues on the radio recently that were about...women's health issues! There wasn't the hesitation and awkward crowbarring in of some reference to '..of course men too' or 'pregnant people' or anything like that.

Just 'women's health'.

Another harbinger of a return to common sense?

Yes, I heard a reference to 'pregnant women' (possibly in relation to listeria) and thought 'wait, what, who they?'.

Another sign of improvement - this article in today's Irish Times doesn't refer to 'gender-based violence' and doesn't feel the need to say 'of course men suffer too and here's the Men's Aid phone number'.
[which is not to say men don't need support too, but you know what I mean - it should be OK to talk about violence against women and just that; and if you need support and refuges, gentlemen, organise them yourselves, don't appropriate existing hard-won women's facilities😡 ]
Refusing to see the links between domestic violence and wider society amount to reckless denial – The Irish Times

The choice of photograph to illustrate the article is questionable though - it's not like there's a shortage of violent Irishmen, so why pick one from thousands of miles away🙄

Article in the Times about Sports Irelands report into trans participation in womens sports in Ireland

https://archive.ph/MEtxE