Gender Critical in Ireland Part 4

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/craicnet/4777231-gender-critical-in-ireland-part-3?page=40&reply=139277391
Last thread was full so starting a new one.

I’d give full
marks for that !

‘She’
https://businessplus.ie/news/transgender-childcare-worker-sacked/

I've had a look around and can't find this case - which is pretty shocking on many levels - reported anywhere except by 'Business Plus' which is owned by
Associated Newspapers (Ireland) Limited.

Fair play to Business Plus!

I think the photo of Aleena Starshine is one of those 'a picture is worth a thousand words' images, alongside the photo of 'Giulia Valentino' playing women's Gaelic football.
[Giulia stated at the time that 'she' wanted to leave a legacy, and I'm more than happy to oblige Giulia, and share this photo whenever I can😏]

This is not being wantonly cruel about someone's appearance, it's about showing how easy it is to distinguish a man from a woman, and how poorly many? most? trans IDing men 'pass' - although they often claim nobody has noticed them using the women's toilets for years...

Or maybe some of them, like Giulia and Aleena, know damn well the don't look even remotely like a woman and are just taking the p*ss - go on, challenge me, I dare you, you transphobic bigot!

I find it very concerning that this man got a job, caring for very young children, without having any concept of basic safeguarding. The minimum qualification required to work in a creche is a Level 5 qualification. Safeguarding would be a mandatory part of any course which involves children, he didn't need training in the creche policies to understand it.
I am glad he didn't win his case, he was obviously a liability.
Looking at the photo in the link, there is a yellow hand on the wall with the letters "ity" visible.
What are the odds on the other letters being inclusiv?

I think it's a fair assumption to think those young children were told that Aleena was a woman and they had to respect his pronouns.

Talk about confusing their poor wee brains - it's not helpful or sensible to tell children that they must see men as women and judge them to be as safe as women.

We generally tell wee kids that if they get separated from us in public, they should try and find a middle-aged woman (preferably with kids) to ask for help. Encouraging kids to view women and men as interchangeable drives a coach and horses through safeguarding and child safety.

‘Inclusivity’
Scottish court case

Bloody hell! Period huts in a Western democracy 🤬

No, this is in Scotland, a backward autocracy.

Mr Starshine makes it to Reduxx

Well done Reduxx for picking up the story.
Anybody seen it anywhere in Ireland except Business Plus?

Is he going to be investigated for his behaviour, I wonder? A carer asking children for kisses is surely wrong, surely even a [biological, not 'legal'] woman shouldn't have those kind of interactions with children she's caring for in a professional capacity.

It was in Gript the other day too
https://gript.ie/trans-childcare-worker-offered-child-big-kiss-as-prize/

Irish street artist Joe Caslin unveils new 50ft mural ahead of Pride weekend in Dublin
Words fail me.

Except to say that this mural could be a monument to all the 'harm inflicted by external forces' on the mind and body of an unhappy little girl who was misled into thinking that there was something wrong with her body, and that she could change her sex by surgery and hormones.

There wasn't, and she couldn't.
I think a lot of the general public will just see this as a 50ft mural of a young man, and would be shocked to know that it was a young woman, who had a double mastectomy of her healthy breasts, and was taking hormones to try to look less like the woman that she is.

I just keep thinking, would he create a 50ft mural of a girl suffering from severe anorexia? Would he find her anguish, starving, and self-hatred so laudable?

I hated the old theocratic Ireland with a passion and now I hate the new progressive Ireland with a passion - neither version of this country cares about what women need to prosper and live good lives.

Roscommon People dives in!

That's a very good article unlike the tripe the Irish Times publishes.

That article was a breath of fresh air!

What a fabulous article! Thanks for the link @Pukeen - would be great to see that level of scrutiny in the national press. I hope it has given pause to a lot of people, so many are completely clueless about what is going on.

'Enoch Burke may not be the perfect messenger'
'May not??'That has to go down as one of the biggest understatements in history!

The total disregard for the law, courts, other people, common decency - anything really - shown by Enoch Burke and his family have set the cause the article champions - as do I - back by years/decades/who knows how long.

He has cemented in the minds of many the idea that anyone who is critical of gender ideology is an extreme Christian, American-influenced, right-wing eejit.
Like Enoch Burke and his family.

The Roscommon People article illustrates this: it makes valid points about gender identity/biological sex/compelled speech etc, which might be persuasive to a lot of neutral readers.

But framing it around Enoch Burke being any kind of reputable 'messenger' will turn so many people off - 'if that anti-social nuisance is in favour of it, it must be wrong'.

The perfectly reasonable gender-critical argument can't be heard over the disruption, shouting and roaring of him and his family, and his constant courting of 'martyrdom'. He has been in prison because of his repeated contempt of court, not the original issue with pronouns at the school.

I agree with him about that issue, but the cynical way he has behaved since then has been designed to make it inevitable he'd be sent to jail - just like any ordinary person would be if they behaved in court as he does, it's not one law for Enoch and another law for any other citizen. That said, other citizens probably wouldn't be on full pay as they sat in prison, as EB was receiving his full teacher's salary until a couple of months ago.

He engineers it so he can claim he's being imprisoned for his beliefs, and unfortunately some people who haven't followed the case from the beginning think that's true.

He would do the GC/sex realist case a favour if he disappeared and left the field open for somebody with a bit more honesty, respect and humanity to argue for it.

I have no time for him at all, as you may have gathered!

Every society needs a designated arsehole or two to make us all less contented about how wonderful we are. Our laws and morals need to be tested from time to time to force us to think our way through issues rather than letting them passively achieve consensus through conformity.

Theocratic Ireland had loud, annoying women and men that it hated for rocking the moral majority boat and that they tried to silence. New Progressive Ireland has the same happening in people like the Burkes.

Non-conformists can be, by their very nature, difficult people to like or feel sympathy for.

Here, here!
Enoch Burke has done more to highlight this ludicrous belief and its grip in our schools and by extension, society than any number of the polite letters to ministers, schools and newspapers that have represented the sex realist side of things in Ireland in the last couple of years.

Who else has shouted so loudly?
Who else has banged metaphorical saucepan lids to draw attention to this insidious mission creep?

The GRA was brought in with the full agreement of our law makers and I’d say that certainly warrants contempt!

Many who dismissed EB for his religious fervour came to admire (albeit grudgingly) his tenacity.

He has forced pronoun tyranny and trans nonsense onto the lips and into the words of our avoidant, hypocritical media as nobody else has done over the past few years. For this alone he should be applauded.
Bualadh Bos Burke!

This is an interesting (and shocking) look at what the Pride parade has become, from the perspective of a gender critical, young gay man. Great to see people like him speaking out on the issue and highlighting how the pride parade has changed and how he feels it no longer represents his perspective as a gay man. I thought he was very calm and measured in his interview style, way calmer than I could be in that situation!

In particular, check out from around 35 mins on where he interviews Mammies for trans rights. This interview really brought home to me how important it is that we all speak out on this matter where and when we can. I really admire his bravery.

I agree that EB has highlighted a ludicrous and corrosive set of beliefs, but in so doing he has also situated them in the public mind as part of the ludicrous and corrosive beliefs that he and his family appear to live by.

Just imagine an alternative universe where a different EB - an EB who was not a spoilt privileged so-and-so who clearly has never been taught basic things like respect or proportionality, or 'no Enoch you are not part of an elite which is above the law' - objected to compelled speech in the school that employed him, was suspended, and contested his suspension.

And EB who, like FWS in the UK, took legal action against the school for unfair suspension/dismissal, and took it through the courts the way any other citizen would - not constant breaching court orders and verbally abusing the court officials.

Imagine the case going to our equivalent of the UK Supreme Court, and the meaning of sex and gender in Irish legislation being examined in the same forensic way, with - I believe, because of the irrationality of the concept of 'gender' - quite possibly the same results as the landmark FWS case.

I believe that other EB would have been able to find a legal team prepared to take it as far as the High Court, because I have a feeling that there are many legal minds in Ireland who look with interest at the many decisions by UK courts and employment tribunals, including the Supreme Court, that sex=biological sex.

Obviously, we are not governed by UK law - but when the state was founded, there was a pragmatic decision to retain the Common Law system, and we adopted into Irish legislation all UK laws that were not contrary to our Constitution.

So although what happens in UK courts and tribunals has no legal weight in Ireland, I have a feeling that significant judgments like the FWS one are noted with interest in the Irish legal community.

An imaginary EB might have been the Irish equivalent of FWS, fighting strongly within the law to change the law back to fairness for all, including women. A hero. 'The Burke Ruling' could be the Irish equivalent of 'The FWS Ruling'.

Unfortunately, the real-life EB is an entitled, privileged, anti-social, look-at-me-being-martyred man, whose tenaciously counter-productive antics have probably set back by years the likelihood of the reversal of anti-women 'gender'-based legislation.

Head of HSE gender healthcare to step down at end of year after drafting new model of care – The Irish Times

This government won’t be content until it has run completely in the opposite direction (at 100 mph) to the newly-drafted PB policies instituted by all sensible countries.

They seem incapable of seeing the huge future problems they’ll be causing and, of course, as always happens in this country, not a one of them will ever take the blame or face any consequences for what they’re doing.