Gender Critical in Ireland Part 4

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/craicnet/4777231-gender-critical-in-ireland-part-3?page=40&reply=139277391
Last thread was full so starting a new one.

a treat in store.

I wonder whether either of them is going stand for the presidency.

Such a sweet photo. So so difficult to work out who is the woman

I don't like Zappone.
Remember the mileage thing.
If you take a longer route you can claim mileage.

IT didn't let us down today either.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2025/03/08/shaping-the-century-25-brilliant-irish-women-in-2025/

You will never guess who is 8th on the list.

They have space for that delusional destructive person, but none for Anna May McHugh who kept on working well into her 80s organising the biggest and most important open-air event in Ireland (and largest agricultural event in Europe).

In fairness, that was outside the pale and involved rural stuff.

They could have included Margaret Heffernan and Muriel McCarthy of Marshes Library and had fewer actors as well as ditching the male.

In fairness, there are quite a few from outside the Pale in the list - from Belfast to Cork
I think it's not a bad selection, apart from The Obvious.

That is true. But nothing farmery. That would be a step too far.

Okay. Non farmery. Alive. Working, Urban. International. Writer, speaker, personality. Famous, entertaining, brave, original.

Why isn't Helen Joyce on the list?

Because if she was put on the same page as the beautiful, stunning, brave and oh so oppressed, Lydia, the page would spontaneously combust.

Burn the witch, she doesn’t hold the line on IT ideology

Reading about the Sullivan report in the UK where people were having NHS records which recorded their gender instead of their sex and were missing out on vital appointments made me wonder does the HSE do the same?

Until last week I'd have said that least here our PPS number remains the same, and the I heard of someone who'd being working abroad for years and when he came back 'couldn't find' his old one so applied for a new one.

Not sure what that will have done to his pensions and social welfare entitlements, or why he couldn't ask his GP, but it showed a big gaping hole in the system.

Yes, this happens here. A transman who works with me was most upset that they wouldn't process the pre-surgery pregnancy test required as the medical record said male. They fudged it to get the test done. I think they just labelled the test with fake details.

I hope all the sex work is work people read this and are embarassed at their promotion of being raped multiple times a day as a career. The Irish Times should hang their heads in shame for knowing the truth about what this is and still calling them sex workers like they've been convinced is polite rather than white washing what this actually is

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2025/04/11/its-like-being-raped-10-to-12-times-a-day-conviction-reveals-scale-of-rural-brothel-network/

https://archive.ph/NVlqQ

I was amazed that that quote came from the guards rather than one of the women. Hopefully it signals a shift in their thinking at least.

Interview with Helen Joyce in today's Independent. Her first media interview which seems crazy! Not behind a pay wall so everyone should be able to read it.

https://m.independent.ie/life/family/family-features/irish-activist-helen-joyce-im-sure-i-messed-up-sometimes-but-no-man-saying-the-things-that-i-say-will-be-called-unkind/a1816140309.html

Interesting article in the Times..

Doctors initiate legal action over State’s transgender policy

www.irishtimes.com/health/2025/04/13/doctors-initiate-legal-action-over-states-transgender-policy/

I was just coming here to post the same article. Sunlight? Maybe?

The UK Supreme Court has ruled that 'woman' means biological woman, and having a GRC doesn't alter that.
The court concluded that a person with a Gender Recognition Certificate does not come within the definition of a “woman” in relation to the sex discrimination section of the Equality Act 2010.

We messed things up here by removing the word 'sex' from our equality legislation and replacing it with the ill-defined term 'gender'. So this judgment can't be mirrored here, unfortunately.
But hopefully the ripples will spread over the Irish Sea and common sense definitions will be brought back into the law here too,

Supreme Court in UK just ruled that in law the definition of a woman is based on biological sex.

This is all so relevant for Irish equality laws! Including any men in definitions of 'woman' [and vice versa] make equality legislation read in an incoherent way.

We can have a lot of criticisms of the UK justice system, but you have to hand it to them - they are capable of applying logic, scientific fact and common sense in judgments like this and the Forstater and Bailey cases, which doesn't seem to be the case here, or in places like Australia and Canada.
I am slightly envious - imagine an Irish equivalent of FWS taking the government to the High Court to get all our TWAW laws and regulations overturned - no I can't imagine it either

Lord Hodge says the predecessors to the Equality Act used definitions of biological sex, and gender reassignment was added as a separate protected characteristic.
He tells the court that, after “painstaking analysis”, including people with a Gender Recognition Certificate in the sex group would make the Equality Act read in an “incoherent way”.

Am I correct in saying that in Newry sex is defined by biology. But travel 10 miles down the road to Dundalk and sex is defined by filling in a form?
From the GRA 2015
Where a gender recognition certificate is issued to a person the person’s gender shall from the date of that issue become for all purposes the preferred gender so that if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman.

I often think that our Equality Act was the reason Ireland was one of the first countries to introduce Self-ID. The ambiguous use of the word gender instead of sex.
Ireland was the useful idiot in which to get the ball rolling.

I had an old workmate who was a bit of a gambling addict. One day he came into the pub grinning and punching the air. Did you have a big win Andy? says I . 'Well , I've won back all the money I lost earlier' he replied.

This whole struggle can feel a bit like that? Except for the money we lost earlier think of the broken friendships and lost brain cells!