Gender Critical in Ireland Part 4

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/craicnet/4777231-gender-critical-in-ireland-part-3?page=40&reply=139277391
Last thread was full so starting a new one.

Well said Jane!

"Give Jane an opinion column" is what I reckon - she's the voice of reason against Una's painful, tone-deaf genderwanging!

Jane is married to Peter Boylan, former master of Holles St. it was suggested that Holles St would be carrying out ‘gender affirming’ care.

Jane's letter was a joy to read - she makes her point so clearly and logically.

The journal.ie has run an 'investigative' piece about transgender healthcare in Ireland, over three days. The only good thing about it is that it concludes that transgender healthcare in Ireland is very very bad, and maybe that will resonate with some of the traumatised transfolx who are talking about fleeing the transphobic horrors of the post-ruling UK to claim asylum in more trans-friendly jurisdictions... like Ireland?😨

A tiny number of people - 0.5% of the population, if we are similar to the UK in that respect - are complaining that they do not have bespoke healthcare to provide them with things like HRT* on demand, or ethically dodgy surgery. Or aftercare for ethically dodgy surgery they have chosen to have overseas.

I doubt very much if anybody outside the circle of trans allies have much sympathy for them, given all the other groups in Irish society who do not have access to the health care they need - not wish for, but need.

To that extent, the journal.ie giving so much space and uncritical support to the obviously unreasonable demands for specialised trans healthcare, at a time when the health service has so many failings, is probably going to do them a lot more harm than good. 'Operation Let Them Speak'.

• [a misnomer - they never had the hormones in the first place, so it's not 'replacement' therapy]

Today's Irish Daily Star magazine, from memory (I was eye rolling!) apparently JKR's celebration of the Scottish Supreme Court decision is disgusting, according Save the Dolls t-shirt wearing Pedro. Who has a trans sibling, naturally. No attempt to show balance

Lush in Dundrum are running a ‘trans healthcare in Ireland’ campaign. (Unsavoury considering the age group who are attracted to colourful bath-bombs.)
I suspect this and The Journal’s coverage are a tantrum brought on by Moran and O’Shea’s application for a judicial review. Not to mention the UK ruling.

I've read over on the FWR [actually FS&G these days, but FWR has stuck!] about how awful Lush is, clearly completely devoid of any notion of balance, respect or appropriateness - you're a feckin' shop that sell's allegedly overpriced and overscented fancy stuff, not a Court of Human Rights🙄
I didn't even know they were in Ireland.

The context in the UK is so different now that they have a Supreme Court ruling that states what 'woman' means - Lush slots into the 'don't worry lovely lovely tranfolx we still cherish you here in Ireland, TWAW all the way!' campaign here in Ireland.

The journal.ie have another pro-trans piece today! A hat-trick of pro-trans pieces has an air of desperation, doesn't it?
An extract:
In 2015, when I was just starting a PhD in women’s studies, my twins Jamie and Zack (these names are pseudonyms) were starting primary school. Although my twins are identical, Jamie expressed a very different gender identity to their brother from as early as they could express themselves, and we embraced this.
by Carol Ballantine
Opinion: Trans lives aren’t black and white, our conversations about them shouldn’t be either

At that age, Jamie could just have easily expressed a belief that they were a cowboy, a dinosaur, or as a friend of mine's little boy stated with great confidence and total commitment, an extra-terrestrial from a different galaxy.

Unlike the the writer of the journal piece, his parents did not 'embrace' this, they asked him if ETs still liked spag bol for dinner and waited till he grew out of it.
Now that he's a teenager, it is remembered with a smile as one of those lovely, harmless little fantasies that children have, thanks to their wonderful imaginations.

The Journal.ie also published this a few days ago:

Link:

Aoife Martin - We are living through a moral panic about trans people

Paddy O Gorman’s opinion.
Naturally not in a ‘mainstream’ publication but certainly pointing out the cracks in the trans’ ‘nothing to see here ‘ façade.

Paddy has been such a hero.

Did everybody get the same sponsored MN ad upthread for a book called
Wreck This Journal: To Create is to Destroy, Now With Even More Ways to Wreck! by Keri Smith

Sometimes ads are random, sometimes they result from an algorithm, whatever happened in this case, it was very relevant and very funny😂

Woke is sinking fast.
Be the hokey, we have to go to a ‘far right’ British newspaper (clutch your pearls Una Mullally) for any cover!

https://x.com/gataveckaite/status/1920117691932717321?t=wOavT0EFHzh-fKIP6hMLuA&s=19
I fully support the camogie players but the hypocrisy of Sinn Féin is pretty galling.

embraced with evangelical zeal by a political class desperate to seem more enlightened than their forebears.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
They won't answer any questions on the ideology because they can't. They don't really believe in it.
But they have always been desperate to be the best altar boys in the church.

https://gript.ie/not-all-gays-conference-to-hear-safeguarding-concerns/
Article in Gript about a conference at the end of the month run by not all gays

"The Irish advocacy group was founded to represent lesbian, gay, and bisexual people concerned about the erasure of same-sex attraction under gender identity ideology. It says that it will campaign for gay and lesbian rights, but not for transgender causes.
It says its mission is to “defend the rights of same-sex attracted people as a distinct protected group,” with the event to “bring together influential voices in the LGB community to discuss urgent issues such as the erosion of LGB rights, child safeguarding, free speech, and the impact of gender ideology.”"

Thanks for this link miri1985 - I'd never heard of this group, who are similar to the LGB Alliance in the UK by the looks of things.
I'm impressed that they are numerous - and brave! - enough to have marched at last Pride, and their website Not All Gays is very well developed.

They even have merch, but I think they could do a bit of tweaking on the snappiness of the slogans...

It's great to know that they exist and are challenging the disastrous bolting-on of T to LGB in Ireland.

LGB✂T
or according to this hoodie 'S-SANQ'

I hadn't heard of them either @MarieDeGournay but I was on the general sex and gender discussions and there was a post about a NZ legal challenge and I went on that groups twitter and they had retweeted about this conference. I have no knowledge or affliation to the group but the reputation of the list of people speaking at the conference speak for themselves.

https://x.com/paddyjogorman/status/1922033053922152792?t=t34vwi9I0wkkPs_SeuUl0Q&s=19
The Journal.ie,
I bet Ruth Coppinger loves it.

The journal.ie at it again:
Minister for Health says transgender healthcare is 'not meeting people’s needs'
I have only scanned it, I wish I hadn't seen it at all because now I'm wide awake instead of asleep in bed, which is where I was heading when I checked the headlines😠

I'm going to write to the minister, but I have some homework to do first I'm looking for help with the maths!
The % of the UK population who identified themselves as trans in the last census was 0.5%. (this figure is believed to be an overstatement). The population of the UK is about 70m. I reckon that means that there are about 340,000 transgender people in the UK.

Assuming the % is the same here, with a population of about 5m I think that means that the approx number of trans people in Ireland is 25,000.
Is my maths right?

Of that 25,000, only a small number would have had surgery which can have serious medical consequences; otherwise, transpeople remain male or female, so the existing health service including the sexual health service, should be perfectly adequate for the majority of the small number of trans people in Ireland.

However -
'She said that her Department has provided €770,000 in Budget 2025 to support the development of the new model of care.'

€770,000 !!!!

Anybody got any other ideas?

The only place I saw anything about this transgender healthcare thing was in the journal.ie. But I've found the source - a Dáil question by Pádraig Rice of the Soc Dems.

Healthcare Policy – Tuesday, 13 May 2025 – Parliamentary Questions (34th Dáil) – Houses of the Oireachtas

His question looks like it has come straight out of 2015😠
I notice a subtle change - no mention of WPATH these days, but a WHO definition which says that transgenderism is not a mental illness, and should be dealt with as a sexual health issue.
So if it's not an illness, why does it need special healthcare at an initial cost of €770,000?
What's wrong with the existing sexual health services? Good enough for straight and LGB people, but not good enough for transgender people??

This Genspect letter has a similar take on the WHO categorisation. Also 2024 this letter to the WHO is powerful. Sex Matters
Is the ‘community pilot project for children and young people’ part of this €770,000? If so why not start by banning puberty blockers? And why does the HSE recommend families take dysphoric children to Belgium which has no restrictions on puberty blockers. This flies in the face of the Cass Report and the more recent HHS Review of medical interventions for gender dysphoric youth.
Also, all Irish health Insurance policies now have €100,000 in the treatment abroad section for ‘gender affirming care’. So all that is required is a permissive system here to streamline access to the treatment abroad. (The inevitable post surgery complications are, no doubt, then shoehorned into Irish hospitals.)
Activists want GP’s to be front line in providing synthetic hormones and referrals, thus ‘normalising’ treatment and taking it outside the clinic setting.
Maybe some of the €770,000 will be used to exterminate Drs O Shea and Moran as they really do seem to be the fly in the ointment!🤣

Thank you Puckeen, that's really informative. I'll look into what Genspect have to say about the €770,000.

It's depressing to switch from the FWR [actually called 'Feminism: Sex and gender discussions' these days but it still gets called FWR] board which includes links to intelligent, well-informed, factual, detailed responses to the trans position on the UKSC ruling e.g.
Naomi Cunningham’s response to Prof Norrie’s post on University of Strathclyde’s blog on the SC decision | Mumsnet
to the Dáil exchange between Dep.Rice and the minister, which sounds so outdated in comparison.

And also the fact that the UK judicial system is capable of ruling that the legal fiction that TWAW makes a nonsense of equality laws is so far removed from the legal situation here.. I can't even imagine a similar case being taken to the High Court, which is a pity because there is a chance that our judges would come to the same conclusion: that when the original equality legislation referred to 'women' they meant biological women:
The meaning of the terms “sex”, “man” and “woman” in the EA 2010 is biological and not certificated sex. Any other interpretation would render the EA 2010 incoherent and impracticable to operate (para 264)

Of course, we went further here and just crossed out 'sex' and wrote in 'gender', so there isn't the same toe-hold in the law that For Women Scotland used to get the word 'sex' clearly defined by the SC.

Sorry, I seem to be taking up a lot of space on this thread
Has anyone read this in today's Irish Times?
Marriage equality a decade on: ‘Things have gone backwards’ – The Irish Times
To tell you 'the god's honest truth', as my granny used to say, I haven't, because I don't think I can cope with it..

I can think of a lot of things I wasn't called ten years ago either - bigot, person with a cervix, nazi sympathiser, agent of the American right wing, sexual racist - I'm pretty sure he doesn't include that in this article.
And I bet he doesn't ascribe a lot of the 'things going backwards' for LGB people to the bolting on of the 'T'😡
LGB✂T