Referendum pt 2

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Started another thread as the first one was full.

I think it means regularly. However, I'm not one of de yute so I could be clowning myself. I just can't stop!!

It doesn't surprise me there are "NO" representatives being interviewed.

The interviewing seems to be extremely selective, almost echo chamber

Yes and I think they are all still in a bubble - ignoring us.

The spin the govt are going to come out with on this is really going to annoy me! Why can't I vote No because I don't agree? Why did it have to be because I don't understand, or am too right wing?

Left unsaid
The people were too thick to understand 😂

Aren't they so predictable blaming the "far right"!!!

@ColadhSamh I agree and I think a lot of these groups will have lost the trust and faith of those they have been claiming to represent

In fairness RTE have had a few NO campaigners on.

It must really stick in the craw of government that they need the public in this way.

Any law they create needs to be constitutionally sound and only the people can decide if we will allow a constitutional change.

Oh dear what a to do.

Government pity party on the way

From RTÉ:

It should be pointed that there less tally people present count centres compared to previous election counts.
Obviously less people checking grammar at RTÉ as well.

They need the public when they want to seem to be progressive without actually doing anything or giving any money.

They have it within their power to give carers more money like that woman taking the SC case about her carers payment.

They wanted to give carers a little pat on the head rather than actual money

The results of that pre-vote poll indicating that it would be yes and yes surprised and disappointed me- I had very much got the feeling of no/no from anyone I casually chatted to about it.

But then I wondered if there would be a temptation not to “confess” that you’d be voting no to a poll-taker, given all the negative connotations being pressed on that by the yes side.

I discussed this with my DH yesterday- that saying you’ll be voting no necessitated a bit of thoughtful explanation and someone being patient and open enough to listen to your explanation. Whereas saying you’ll vote yes simply necessitates “because liberal… progressive…. feminism“- much easier to compress into a sound bite and get patted on the back for and no risk of being thought a nasty “far right” bigot.

I’m really pleased to think how many of our people may have voted with that quiet thoughtfulness (notwithstanding the protest votes against government etc), and that it seems that it may prevail.

Yes, I hate this - the implication being that the electorate is too stupid to understand the issues, or are petulant in voting against what the government instruct us to do.
Actually, many of us looked into this issue quite a lot, and still came up with no decent argument as to why the new wording would be better.

I'm just waiting for them to start saying it's all the fault of the backwards, narrow minded culchies. It won't be long now.

The thing is, if you asked 100 people in the street what their day to day concerns are, and what they feel the government should be focusing on - it's stuff like cost of living, the housing crisis, stagnating wages, immigration, climate change etc.

The wording of the constitution doesn't even factor. I know many people who were annoyed this was brought up at all, and that so much money was wasted on it.

It has already started - RTE had all the ‘ culchie’ reporters on first and it was all No No from the tallies. But then they came to the RDS and Brian said - it seems even Dublin South is going against the government.

I live in Dublin Rathdown and campaigned in Dublin South and I didn’t find anyone who was voting yes yes. That’s what I mean when I said the polling was wrong. While it wasn’t as in your face as the Repeal referendum campaign support, the people we met quietly but emphatically said they were voting no no.

There was a kinda hint of that about the discussion on RTE earlier with Alison O'Connor and Gary Murphy. We didn't understand, it wasn't explained properly. How patronising. They cannot be allowed to get away with that shite. They all endorsed Yes Yes.
They should be back in Leinster House next week not off around the world on jollies.

I agree @ColadhSamh - it was infuriating to see Jennifer O’ Neill posting that she voted yesterday and was now off to California to attend St Patrick’s day events 😡.

How many houses will all these events around the world build?

Alison O’Connor also wrote a column encouraging us to vote yes yes as ‘Women in the home’ was insulting to women 🙄. They really don’t understand the lived experience of most women.

People who made the effort to read the constitution may have thought it did matter. After years of relentlessly bad news about homelessness, an article written by a man who was the child of a single mother who couldn't look after him, raised by a grandparent, always with a wistfully romantic view of 'home' ("bright with cosy homesteads") is not quite as irrelevant as posh boy Leo not-the-responsiblity-of-the-state-to-provide-homes Varadkar wants to believe.

Women and men should both be permitted - encouraged even, to have a life in the home. And homes to live in. We'd all be the better for it.

Culchie Culchington here. Although I spent part of my childhood in Dún Laoghaire. I wonder how they will explain the result in DLR , Dalkey etc btw.

Out here in de bogs we voted overwhelmingly for Repeal and Gay Marriage. Explain that ya numpties.

Yes, Jennifer really needs to read the room.

She was also going to Mexico 'to represent Ireland'.

Me too, because that how a lot of my social media looked. Especially after Leo's disastrous interview about how he'll look after his parents. But it just goes to show that social media isn't real life. People have been getting more and more quietly pissed off for years.

I was speaking to my parents a while ago (once rural, now commuter town, Dad's family always lived there) and they said that they were just chatting around the place to people and several said they were voting no but were afraid to say it to people they didn't know because of the possible reaction. And a young woman who voted no because she thinks everything is being taken from mothers, in particular, and women in general, from words to respect. But again, only saying so to people they've known years.

There's a huge disconnect.